FD motor+trans into vert fc help.
11-29-07, 07:42 PM
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FD motor+trans into vert fc help.
Hey guys i got a few questions, and just hope to get some answer, not much into opinions (sorry for being rude).
Does anyone know if the mounts banzai sells will work with the fd motor? and if it does, can the fd transmission be fitted into the fc vert?
i hope this dont become a debate on how the other motor fits better, or how the t2 drivetrain fits better, im trying to help a friend out that got a fd front clip for dirt cheap, and has a vert and wants to make this work.
Thanks to anyone that helps.
ray
Does anyone know if the mounts banzai sells will work with the fd motor? and if it does, can the fd transmission be fitted into the fc vert?
i hope this dont become a debate on how the other motor fits better, or how the t2 drivetrain fits better, im trying to help a friend out that got a fd front clip for dirt cheap, and has a vert and wants to make this work.
Thanks to anyone that helps.
ray
11-29-07, 08:02 PM
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i hope this dont become a debate on how the other motor fits better, or how the t2 drivetrain fits better, im trying to help a friend out that got a fd front clip for dirt cheap, and has a vert and wants to make this work.
yeah, i suggested that he sells the fd material already but he doesnt have much time to search for a t2 tranny. so he wanted to know if there is any quick solutions or solutions that has worked.
yeah, i suggested that he sells the fd material already but he doesnt have much time to search for a t2 tranny. so he wanted to know if there is any quick solutions or solutions that has worked.
11-29-07, 08:31 PM
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He should REALLY see that stuff to an FD owner who needs it.
Is that emphasis enough?
Nothing aligns with the FD trans in an FC chassis.
The shifter is in the wrong place.
The trans mounts are totally different.
The FD trans uses a PPF system which the FC doesn't have.
Since the FD trans is shorter, a stock FC driveshaft doesn't fit.
Basically, you need to get mounts and braces custom fabricated to make this work.
If it's not obvious, it's a royal pain in the ***.
He probably can get an FC turbo trans for a LOT less and end up with cash in his pocket.
That way, at least the trans is a bolt-in job.
The 13B-REW engine will bolt onto the FC turbo trans, so you just gotta take care of the engine mounts and the engine control systems.
-Ted
Is that emphasis enough?
Nothing aligns with the FD trans in an FC chassis.
The shifter is in the wrong place.
The trans mounts are totally different.
The FD trans uses a PPF system which the FC doesn't have.
Since the FD trans is shorter, a stock FC driveshaft doesn't fit.
Basically, you need to get mounts and braces custom fabricated to make this work.
If it's not obvious, it's a royal pain in the ***.
He probably can get an FC turbo trans for a LOT less and end up with cash in his pocket.
That way, at least the trans is a bolt-in job.
The 13B-REW engine will bolt onto the FC turbo trans, so you just gotta take care of the engine mounts and the engine control systems.
-Ted
11-30-07, 03:29 AM
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Even if he gets a t2 tranny, his NA driveshaft won't work with it, and so on and so forth down the line. The alternatives are:
1) keep the NA clutch-back drivetrain stock (it wont hold the torque of a turbo setup very long)
2) swap a complete t2 drivetrain in, clutch to axles
3) run a turbo tranny/clutch/etc. and use the m'trix custom driveshaft to adapt to the NA rearend.
Here is why: http://www.rotaryresurrection.com/2n...in_differ.html
The FD tranny has almost no chance of working in his car without major custom mounting work...not to mention that he'd have no speedo with it since the FC speedo gear won't install on the FD trans (to my knowledge).
As for the engine, here are mounts, though I dont know about the supplier's customer service etc. If banzai sells mounts then I would go with him. You can also consider tapping the FD intermediate iron for the FC passenger mount, and then making a small custom bracket extension for the drivers side mount. Then you could use the FC oilpan and mounts and get rid of the shitty leaky oilpan on the FD engine. If I were ever to do this swap, that is the route I would go, because the FD oilpan WILL leak.
http://www.motivefab.com/product_inf...c27cf24d431a0a
The main issue with the swap is PS and AC functionality...if you have all the wiring and components from the clip, getting the longblock in and running should not be much of a challenge. But the FC PS/AC stuff won't clear the FD's intake tube, and the FD PS and AC pumps don't come close to interfacing with the plumbing in the FC chassis. And who the hell wants a nice FC with a lot of money put into it, and have the old "armstrong power steering conversion" going on.
1) keep the NA clutch-back drivetrain stock (it wont hold the torque of a turbo setup very long)
2) swap a complete t2 drivetrain in, clutch to axles
3) run a turbo tranny/clutch/etc. and use the m'trix custom driveshaft to adapt to the NA rearend.
Here is why: http://www.rotaryresurrection.com/2n...in_differ.html
The FD tranny has almost no chance of working in his car without major custom mounting work...not to mention that he'd have no speedo with it since the FC speedo gear won't install on the FD trans (to my knowledge).
As for the engine, here are mounts, though I dont know about the supplier's customer service etc. If banzai sells mounts then I would go with him. You can also consider tapping the FD intermediate iron for the FC passenger mount, and then making a small custom bracket extension for the drivers side mount. Then you could use the FC oilpan and mounts and get rid of the shitty leaky oilpan on the FD engine. If I were ever to do this swap, that is the route I would go, because the FD oilpan WILL leak.
http://www.motivefab.com/product_inf...c27cf24d431a0a
The main issue with the swap is PS and AC functionality...if you have all the wiring and components from the clip, getting the longblock in and running should not be much of a challenge. But the FC PS/AC stuff won't clear the FD's intake tube, and the FD PS and AC pumps don't come close to interfacing with the plumbing in the FC chassis. And who the hell wants a nice FC with a lot of money put into it, and have the old "armstrong power steering conversion" going on.
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11-30-07, 04:37 AM
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Our mounts are for installation of the Cosmo 13b-re and 20B into the FC chassis, they will not aid in installation of the FD 13B-REW. The FD has a completely different mount location.
Another thing to add in regard to the drilling and tapping of the center iron, is that when the FC oil pan is used the FC front cover will have to be installed as well. This allows for use of the FC CAS.
As long as you do not plan to run the twins sequentially (or go single turbo) then you can just use an FC engine harness.
Another thing to add in regard to the drilling and tapping of the center iron, is that when the FC oil pan is used the FC front cover will have to be installed as well. This allows for use of the FC CAS.
As long as you do not plan to run the twins sequentially (or go single turbo) then you can just use an FC engine harness.
11-30-07, 07:33 AM
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Yes, there really is not anything in the way on that side of the engine. We are running the OEM manual rack in our 91 Vert with the 13b-re.
Also to the OP, the big problem with the FD trans is there is no crossmember, the FD uses a PPF. The length of the tailshaft is different as well, which will cause interior issues. Teh FD trans fetches several hundred dollars where the FC TII trans can be found for as little as $100, it would easier and more economical to sell the FD trans and buy the TII, then use the leftover money to buy some of the other parts that will need to be purchased such as the oil cooler lines.
Also to the OP, the big problem with the FD trans is there is no crossmember, the FD uses a PPF. The length of the tailshaft is different as well, which will cause interior issues. Teh FD trans fetches several hundred dollars where the FC TII trans can be found for as little as $100, it would easier and more economical to sell the FD trans and buy the TII, then use the leftover money to buy some of the other parts that will need to be purchased such as the oil cooler lines.
Last edited by BlueTII; 11-30-07 at 07:39 AM.
11-30-07, 09:38 AM
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Any 13B is going to clear the FC steering rack unless you're doing something odd like shift the engine forward?
You gotta worry about engines that are longer...like a 20B...oh wait, that clears the steering rack still yet.
-Ted
You gotta worry about engines that are longer...like a 20B...oh wait, that clears the steering rack still yet.
-Ted
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