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wanna_be_dk 02-09-07 11:42 PM

fc rally car
 
i was think about goin rally style, and drift a lil later on. it is basicly the same. but to my question. what size tire can i fit on my fc, i want bf goodwrench all terains, but i dont know what size i can fit, like 225 or so on, and what width is the max on stock wheels????

sidewayz_FC 02-10-07 12:09 AM

lol im thinkin you mean bfgoodrich a/t's, interesting ive never seen an actual offroad tire on a car before. im sure there are actualy rally tires that are purpoe built

dwb87 02-10-07 12:15 AM

Wait... rally car... then drift car? Won't rally racing take quite a toll on your car? I mean will your car be "physically" capable of drifting after the rally abuse? Just wondering...

Bama420 02-10-07 12:19 AM

All I have to say is good luck with that.

And BTW, the widest tire I have seen on stock wheels (s5 n/a) are 225.

wanna_be_dk 02-10-07 12:22 AM

yes actually, when you build the rally car, there will be some body dngs and such, but most rally cars(or at least mine) will have a custom skid plate built to cover the oil pan, tranny, basicly th ewhole front end. and drifting is really just for fun, but the damage is not to big. the suspension will mostly be stock, cuz if i lower the fc, it will really take a toll on it. i kow that there are rally tire like perillies(sp) and michellin, i just like the bfg's a/t's. were i live the is a lot of sudden mud and puddles, i like the way that they perform on my sis's jeep.

gxl87turbo 02-10-07 12:27 AM

you should change your name to " wanna be rally drifter" .....................................LOL

wanna_be_dk 02-10-07 12:33 AM

i just might do that

gxl87turbo 02-10-07 12:37 AM

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c167/gxl87/borat.jpg

wanna_be_dk 02-10-07 12:44 AM

what is our bolt pattern 5 by what

gxl87turbo 02-10-07 12:45 AM

114.3

wanna_be_dk 02-10-07 12:59 AM

i am goin to go with the pirelli type x tires

wanna_be_dk 02-10-07 01:01 AM

i am goin to need to raise the height, any ideas, besides bigger rims and tires...like diff springs

wanna_be_dk 02-10-07 01:02 AM

any cluses on the ride hight issue, any springs i can use to raise teh hight

MaczPayne 02-10-07 01:32 AM

How about a Rubicon Express 4 1/2 inch lift?

Or maybe...

A Full Traction 6 inch longarm lift?

wanna_be_dk 02-10-07 01:43 AM

i dont think that will match up, but that is a lil extreme

sidewayz_FC 02-10-07 01:46 AM


Originally Posted by MaczPayne
How about a Rubicon Express 4 1/2 inch lift?

Or maybe...

A Full Traction 6 inch longarm lift?

yeah while hes at it get dual transfercases and lockers front and rear, i prefer the warn upright 8274 for extraction purposes, and an exo cage for sure.

but in all seriousness "wanna be dk" has watched 3fast 3furious one too many times.

wanna_be_dk 02-10-07 01:51 AM

what is 3 fast 3furious, i have allways rallied, i love the sport, i was just wandering what kinda stuff can help my hight issue

sidewayz_FC 02-10-07 01:54 AM

buying a truck would solve that problem.

rx7's should not be lifted :slap:

wanna_be_dk 02-10-07 01:57 AM

i dont mean a lift, just like a half in taller, more of a evo or sti setup, not a 4 inch mud bogger lift

wanna_be_dk 02-10-07 02:11 AM

http://www.davesport.com/rally/images/d_hintz.jpg

jgrts20 02-10-07 08:35 AM

I think you can go 235's on the rear with stock and I found out with the offset on my wheels(aftermarket) I could only go 215's in the front.

classicauto 02-10-07 09:42 AM

I don't know that there's any manufacturer of a taller spring or shock for the FC. Most people don't use these cars for rally, so you're going to have to concieve something yourself.

Perhaps strectching the spring with some heat? :dunno: its goign to have to be custom, so you choose.

I would probably just jam a larger tire on there, height wise. You can probably gain another inch by goign to something with a taller sidewall.

wanna_be_dk 02-10-07 09:51 AM

i figured there was something like that, all well. there is actually alot of fc rally racers, i saw some on tv one day

Jzavala 02-10-07 09:58 AM

yeah if im not mistaken in the class they were in back in the day, they were quite the compeditor.

wanna_be_dk 02-10-07 10:26 AM

they actually still are a compeditor in the rally, just not in the class of the sti or evo

Jzavala 02-10-07 10:30 AM

yeah, i'd love to see a rally rx workin a rally well.

wanna_be_dk 02-10-07 10:41 AM

if there ever is a scca event go there, i bet there will be 1 or 2

Shainiac 02-10-07 01:39 PM

Depending on the type of rallying being done ( especially with now being winter) A narrower than stock tire can be benificial. Some rally cars run as narrow as a 175/ withdth

matthewromeril 02-12-07 11:49 AM

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i've got, race, and built an rx7 rally car its great i love it and it works realy well. the only cars that are as quick cost a hell of a lot more to build.

raptor22 02-12-07 12:34 PM

From what I understand, the FB is a better choice because it has more suspension travel.

Personally, I would go with a jetta instead of a 7....

stevej88na 02-12-07 12:49 PM

I met a guy at SevenStock from Sweden that is apparently part of some rotary rally club. Sounded like fun to me, I wish rally was more popular in the US!

Ashyukun 02-12-07 01:02 PM

Yeah, I've seen a FB several times at the rallycross events my friends run- though it's got a V8 in it and not its original rotary. It usually does quite well.

blmcquig 02-12-07 01:43 PM

well, since you want to rally, you dont need to worry about "maximum tire i can fit"
15 is the biggest you will find in a rally tire. go 14. they are cheaper, and you can get them all over the place. dont worry too much about other stuff, your suspension is the most important. and dont plan on having your 7 last long. theres a saying in the rally community "there are those who have rolled their cars, and those who will".
plus, an RX7 is G5, and unless you are a seasoned vet, you may not be able to run a 7 at all.
are you going to go through rally america or NASA?

masao 02-12-07 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by matthewromeril
i've got, race, and built an rx7 rally car its great i love it and it works realy well. the only cars that are as quick cost a hell of a lot more to build.

WHat the hell did you do to your hood?


Rx7 so make great rally cars, FCs and FBs. I would personally use an FB since they are about 500 Lbs lighter and have more suspension travel.

You will need all new suspension and a nice diff, if nothing else, or your car WILL die. And be prepared to buy a ton of spare parts. It won't be cheap either. I'd say save your money kid. ;)

TheAbsence 02-12-07 05:19 PM

For the price, buy the previous generation WRX and drop a modern STI engine in with a new ECU from a junkyard. It would be cheaper, and perform better. And as a benefit, you wouldn't screw up your RX7. Theres a ton of cars out there that are better at rallying and cheaper than an RX7, and if you tear one of those up, no worries because there will be 3 more bought from a dealership. The RX7 is out of production, and I would hate seeing one drop out due to rallying.

Edit: Just my two cents.

wanna_be_dk 02-12-07 05:19 PM

i was just wandering about the tires size so i can see what i can get, but as for goin pro, if i can i will, but this is just for me and my friends, we have a little car club and we do rallies and drifts, i would love to make it a profession, but my 2 years of experince is no where neaar enough, it is jut a really fun hobbie, but with the roll cage i am goin to install, roll-overs are goin to be no biggie.

TheAbsence 02-12-07 05:23 PM

Wait wait wait - I just realized you got a major flaw in your plan.

You're going to raise the suspension for rallying, but you know you want it low for drifting right? Not to mention you don't want a fatty tire for drifting, or you'll be stalling a lot.

Ah man, don't use your RX7 for either of those, they're special, be nice to them.

Asterisk 02-12-07 05:25 PM

Umm, ok, a "Drift" is a driving technique to go faster around an otherwise realy tight and slow corner, in rally racing, you will be using it on half the corners anyway, so i dont see tha point? Also, why not buy a Datsun 510 for the job, drop in the 13B, and sell off the chassis to someone? Would go towards a good cage, and suspension mods.

also, considering it's a 510, you can even go N/A and still be fast as hell.

lovingthefc3s 02-12-07 05:31 PM

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I would have to say that the 90-93 celica GT-4 all-trac turbo is the best rally car by far, especially for the money. But heres an Rx-7 I found from this forum that is a rally car and has All Wheel Drive!!!

Later,
-Dustin.

lovingthefc3s 02-12-07 05:34 PM

oh yea..................its a 20B too!

philiptompkins 02-12-07 05:36 PM

yup I got 225's on my stock wheels

TheAbsence 02-12-07 05:45 PM


Originally Posted by lovingthefc3s
I would have to say that the 90-93 celica GT-4 all-trac turbo is the best rally car by far, especially for the money. But heres an Rx-7 I found from this forum that is a rally car and has All Wheel Drive!!!

Later,
-Dustin.


With that much modding, I could rally my mom's buick.

masao 02-12-07 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by lovingthefc3s
I would have to say that the 90-93 celica GT-4 all-trac turbo is the best rally car by far, especially for the money. But heres an Rx-7 I found from this forum that is a rally car and has All Wheel Drive!!!

Later,
-Dustin.

All Tracs are awesome and they are tanks. They were sold as rally cars with interiors for the sole purpose of homologation, and are the grand parenst of todays Evo's and STI's.

I have a modded one and they are expensive to mod and expensive to buy too. And for the record there less than 6k of them imported to the US between 1988 and 1993. Everyone will destroy their first rally car. It happens. Some people rally All Tracs professionally, but if you wad one up messing aroun din the field behind you house you will be ridiculed pretty bad.

I put them in the category of "can be used as rally cars by proffessional but are too rare to learn on"

Go buy a 90's Subaru Impreza 2.5RS.

Secondmessiah 02-12-07 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by raptor22
From what I understand, the FB is a better choice because it has more suspension travel.

Personally, I would go with a jetta instead of a 7....

i have an old saab 900 that I am totally gonna rally this spring

and by rally, i mean my buddy and i are going to dick around in a muddy field while shooting a potato gun out the sunroof

many people forget that there was a time when the swedish ruled the rally circuits

wanna_be_dk 02-13-07 07:45 PM

see, i know that the tires will change, i was goin to get some cheap rims, and slap some rally tires on them, and get some good rims with drift tires. as for the suspension, i was goin to get the tein coilovers, so i can have a stock setting, and a drift setting, since the teins have the elctronicly controled hight control option, so that part is coverd. drifting and rally is vary close to the same thing, i know that there are some diffs, but it is over all the same. i would love to have a jetta or a datsun, but i have to use what i have, there are many fc's that rally,drift, or people who just drive them for what they are. i love to rally and drift, so i am goin to use it, thanks for the help.......god i need a sti or a evo

matthewromeril 02-14-07 02:24 PM

i bought and built it for £5000 no other cars i've ever seen in the last 6 years i've been racing in the rallys have been as quick for the money. and sounds easy just buy a 4wd evo or wrx yeah and watch it break shafts diffs ect.
oh and i have a diff and suspenshion is in the post.
gonna spend another 5000 on it this year.
I race what i love i don't have the £300,000 ($550,000) that the winning car cost to spend so i race for fun.
I put every part of my car together an enjoy it. If i wanted something else i would by it.

papiogxl 02-14-07 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by wanna_be_dk
see, i know that the tires will change, i was goin to get some cheap rims, and slap some rally tires on them, and get some good rims with drift tires. as for the suspension, i was goin to get the tein coilovers, so i can have a stock setting, and a drift setting, since the teins have the elctronicly controled hight control option, so that part is coverd. drifting and rally is vary close to the same thing, i know that there are some diffs, but it is over all the same. i would love to have a jetta or a datsun, but i have to use what i have, there are many fc's that rally,drift, or people who just drive them for what they are. i love to rally and drift, so i am goin to use it, thanks for the help.......god i need a sti or a evo

Frist, Tein only has an electrically adjustable dampening force, not height. For height you still need to do it manually, then you also will need an alignment every time you change.

Second drifting and rally are two completely different beasts. While they may seem similar, the suspension geometry and traction requirements are completely different, as are the driving techniques.

My advice would be to not mess with anything, save for tires, if that, and go to some events with a stock car. You will develop more as a driver with a stock car, hen after a season, start modifying it.

micah 02-14-07 03:37 PM

I've thought about Ralli-fying an FC... and it would probably do really well in the PR or M2 classes. But, you must understand that you will eventually have 2 or 3 options. Spend a LOT of money on armor/cage that protects you/your car... then more money to fix your car after every race... then MORE money into the engine to push all of that armour you just put on...(not to mention suspension,brakes,tires,etc) OR.. You can put a little of the neccesary armor/cage, and maybe a little into the engine... tires.. suspension etc.... and then beat the fuck out of your car.. the last option generally guarantees your car will never drive perfect on the road again, but its a lot of fun.

I recommend you buy a beater FC and do the second option. You'll spend more time having fun NOT worrying about your car and the money you spent on it, and less time wondering if the turn you are about to make is going to kill your car's suspension.

There is a third option, which is get a different car altogether. Celica, subie, etc. I like the AWD classes, but they are REALLY packed with people and hard to compete in. RWD/2WD (PR/M2) classes are easier to compete in and IMO require more skill.

I've never competed in Rally.... I *ALMOST* did... and did plenty of research into what it would take and practiced on dirt roads and planned my own course loaded up my best friend... and gave him a map. :) One of my friends has been doing Rallycross for a while now, and typically sticks with the cheaper AWD platforms like the all-trac, subies, etc. He never wins.. but he gets damn close for the pile of crap he puts on the course.

Anyways...... good idea... but, if you have to ask.... you aren't ready. :)

red_s5_fc3s 02-14-07 07:13 PM

Just buy an old bmw. They make pretty good rally cars and you can get a plethora of rally suspension parts for them. Plus, if you roll it, you can get another one.

matthewromeril 02-16-07 11:10 AM

red is right i have three friends that are building bmw rally cars great piece of kit for the money they use 325's. one is finished and has raced it has a 2.3 cosworth engine. one has a vauxhall and one is standard engine.

we do tarmac rallies (on road) but its small lanes with walls, hedges, houses ect each side very tight and very fast. its not who has the biggest engine its who has the biggest brakes and the biggest balls.

i have a mark 5 ford escort xr3i i use for off road rallys and i dont care if i kill it there so cheap to get.


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