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LunchboxCritter 12-01-10 08:53 PM

DIY: Tweeters in my Mirror Triangles
 
This is my first attempt at using some fiberglass and bondo to make anything.

I started by sanding the triangles and speaker mounts with 120 grit sand paper.
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Then I used some quick dry epoxy resin to glue the mounts to the triangles.
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This is where it started to move sort of quickly. I used speaker grill cloth and plastic emblem & trim adhesive to get the form. Next I laid up resin and some fiberglass.
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next came sanding, bondo, sanding, and some more bondo.
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LunchboxCritter 12-01-10 08:54 PM

And after some sanding, here's what I have so far. I laid up the fiberglass on the passengerside, and test fit this pod.

http://i313.photobucket.com/albums/l...s/100_2434.jpg

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I'm aware it still needs a little tweaking, but so far I'm fairly surprised how simple it's been. I'll update further as I get them finished. I'll have to order some SEM texture.

Grappler 12-01-10 09:02 PM

Thats nice how are you planning on finishing it? CF, Paint, or something else?

LunchboxCritter 12-01-10 09:06 PM

black SEM texture is the plan right now, vinyl is up in the air as well

lunardeathgod 12-01-10 09:17 PM

nice, it looks pretty simple.

show us the finishing results when your done

elmayimbe4eva27 12-01-10 09:29 PM

Nice work... Finish it up, mass produce it, and sell some so I can buy a pair.

LunchboxCritter 12-01-10 09:53 PM

I boogered that first one up a little bit, I wouldn't use it for a mold, I got happy with the dremel and removed some plastic. :( After a while it all started to look the same. It was my first time ever using or seeing fiberglass in person, didn't realize it was like honey. It got me thinking some 5.25" components in the kick panels would be nice. I doubt 6.5's would fit.

I was thinking about trying to make one that houses a gauge. I think it would be cool to have a boost gauge there, it would be handy on an S5 with the automatic seat belts.

GordiniRX7 12-01-10 10:56 PM

Ooo this looks interesting. I like the way you think. I was wondering where I might have been able to put a tweeter. That's a pretty good spot.

JustJeff 12-02-10 01:07 AM

Nice work, looking forward to the finished product

LunchboxCritter 12-02-10 09:19 AM

Updates: Passenger side is glassed, going to sand today. Driver side needs some tweaking as well. I'm surprised at how close I've gotten them to be mirrored, they may come out pretty good after all. Please ignore the graffiti my pod picked up last night, I got happy with some markers. :)

Here they are comparing angle, shape, etc.
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Here is what I started with.
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Here is my test fitting.
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Pele 12-02-10 10:01 AM

You might not want them mirrored. You don't sit directly between them, so your sound stage needs to be shifted towards the driver's side. As such, the passenger's side one may be a little flatter for optimum performance.

AGreen 12-02-10 11:18 AM

This is going to be copied and pasted into my convertible :D

I just needed some inspiration.

LunchboxCritter 12-02-10 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by Pele (Post 10346975)
You might not want them mirrored. You don't sit directly between them, so your sound stage needs to be shifted towards the driver's side. As such, the passenger's side one may be a little flatter for optimum performance.

You're correct. I wanted symmetry for looks more than sound staging.

I'm not currently running a sound staging capable deck or processor to delay the sounds, so if I was to aim all of the speakers at just me would be in vain, as the timing of the sound reaching my ears would be off from the nearest to the furthest speakers.

jackhild59 12-02-10 11:25 AM

A waste of perfectly good mirror triangles. 'A' for effort, 'B' for execution, 'F' for acoustics.

Does nothing to improve the staging of the image. Additionally, that left tweeter will slam you in the face. The right tweeter will be hard to hear. Maybe add a potentiometer (volume control) to the left tweet to pull it back some for balance. Still won't help the image, but at least you could gain some control of the balance.

A better place would be to create tweeter pods nearer to the door speaker. This would tend to stabilize the sound image.

FWIW, I flush-mounted my tweeters in the flat surface just below that mirror triangle, facing up. I have some of the same issues you will have but the the balance is pretty nice and the imaging is ok due to the high frequencies mostly reflecting off the windshield. This added length in the sound path makes the high frequencies path closer to the path from the door panels. It works ok, but I don't know if I would do it this exact way again.


OTOH, you could be onto something for a gauge pod on S5 coupe.

clokker 12-02-10 11:36 AM

I'll echo Jack's "A for effort, B for execution" but my problem is the platform.
99% of RXs I see have broken mirror triangles and all Mazda asks of them is to cover up some screws.
Although you may have actually strengthened it structurally, it still depends on the flimsy (and apparently designed for one insertion only) mounting system.

But hell, maybe it hangs in great...what do I know?

LunchboxCritter 12-02-10 11:40 AM

I'm thinking that with the 4 - 6.5's and 2 - 3.5's already in the car I'm not lacking any high frequencies anyways. It's my car not my home stereo, and the car is so small that if I pointed them in any direction it would not take long for the sound to reflect back.

The triangles that I used were spare one's that I had and one was cracked, so actually I repaired it and made them both stronger, plus I got to utilize some of the tweeters that I've been hoarding for yrs. :) In my case it's a win win situation.

Alex_n/a 12-02-10 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by AGreen (Post 10347120)
This is going to be copied and pasted into my convertible :D

I just needed some inspiration.

Do it nao!


Originally Posted by LunchboxCritter (Post 10347173)
I'm thinking that with the 4 - 6.5's and 2 - 3.5's already in the car I'm not lacking any high frequencies anyways. It's my car not my home stereo, and the car is so small that if I pointed them in any direction it would not take long for the sound to reflect back.

The triangles that I used were spare one's that I had and one was cracked, so actually I repaired it and made them both stronger, plus I got to utilize some of the tweeters that I've been hoarding for yrs. :) In my case it's a win win situation.

i have some 6x9 speakers in the spare tire area and they have tweeters built into the design and work great, but my stereo is only usable when hard parking cause driving i don't even notice if the stereo is on and the exhaust sounds better anyway lol

i'm going to do this but put a gauge there and another on the steering column.

88SE_HI 12-02-10 12:28 PM

Looks good.

LunchboxCritter 12-02-10 12:35 PM

Thank You

jimmydanny 12-02-10 01:16 PM

Might consider this in my vert, good job there :) Only thing is I got tweeters in my 6.5" in the doors, and planning on two 8" subs in the parcel shelf, which will give good enough sound for a small car like the 7 :)

1SWEET7 12-02-10 01:22 PM

Creative. Looks good, it will look almost stock when you paint it. :)

AGreen 12-02-10 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by Alex_n/a (Post 10347290)
i have some 6x9 speakers in the spare tire area and they have tweeters built into the design and work great, but my stereo is only usable when hard parking cause driving i don't even notice if the stereo is on and the exhaust sounds better anyway lol

Got any pictures of that?

I also have the issue of hardly hearing the radio too. That's why I bought some 6x9's and an amplifier. I lost the headrest speakers with the installation of an aftermarket headunit, so the amp will drive them and the 6x9's.

I just have so many other projects queued up in front of it.

Looks good though. I still give it an A.

jackhild59 12-03-10 08:28 AM

Flush mount tweeters
 
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Just a couple of pics of my tweeter install, for the discussion

LunchboxCritter 12-03-10 09:18 AM

hey that's cool the same tweeters, blaupunkts. :)

Here's where I'm at today.

http://i313.photobucket.com/albums/l...s/100_2463.jpg

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clokker 12-03-10 09:34 AM

Looking good, a fog coat of black would give you a better idea of where you stand, surface-wise.

How do you plan on wiring it?


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