Digital fuel adjustment - Sugsetions!
My car:
86 NA (fully tuened, EU version - no O2, cat, AFM reads 0-12V) problem is since i can,t install S-AFC so i am thinking going on this mod http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_2418/article.html any sugsetions ??? |
looks old school. unless you are used to working with beakers and bunson burners, i'd stay away! LOL
Why not just get a stand alone ECU? |
thx
i dont think that there is stand alone ECU for this model (smaller harnes??) |
That unit functions almost the same an an S-AFC.
The hook up is identical. In generic terms, they are both piggyback units. Another option is a rising rate fuel pressure regulator. |
rising rate fuel pressure regulator is also an option but did you see price of that it is round 100$$
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Can you swap in a US spec ECU? Would you have to swap harness or coils and such?
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SAFC 1 is about 100$ going price in the fs sections.
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Originally Posted by mazdica
(Post 7452454)
...since i can,t install S-AFC so i am thinking going on this mod
http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_2418/article.html The only downside on a rotary is that because its adjustments are load-based (rather than rpm-based like an S-AFC) it won't work properly with different-sized primary and secondary injectors, i.e. if you've upgraded the secondaries from stock. But this isn't a problem with NA's since injector upgrades are unnecessary unless you get into serious porting.
Originally Posted by stylEmon
(Post 7452506)
looks old school. unless you are used to working with beakers and bunson burners, i'd stay away!
Why not just get a stand alone ECU?
Originally Posted by SureShot
(Post 7452563)
Another option is a rising rate fuel pressure regulator.
Originally Posted by FRFC3S
(Post 7453398)
SAFC 1 is about 100$ going price in the fs sections.
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It's just an S-AFC with more adjustment points...
More doesn't necessarily mean better... In fact, I don't see the word "interpolation" anywhere in the article, which means it requires all those load points so you don't run into trouble. -Ted |
Originally Posted by RETed
(Post 7454552)
It's just an S-AFC with more adjustment points...
More doesn't necessarily mean better... In fact, I don't see the word "interpolation" anywhere in the article, which means it requires all those load points so you don't run into trouble. "It interpolates between the steps (ie smooths the curve of the adjustments)... ...on the subject of driveability, it is brilliant – we spent over 24 months and thousands of kilometres trialling the DFA in different cars... and if the modified air/fuel ratios are set correctly, the drivability remains absolutely factory." |
It's just an S-AFC with more adjustment points... More adjustable points means a smoother more accurate AFR across the board. |
thx guys you helped me a lot with this discusion so i think i will go for it since there is no other way to tune my fuel curve wich is very rich in EU cars (fully tuned gets 13MPG).
i would apriciate some sugsetions on how to tune this (with wideband and dyno ????) |
Originally Posted by RotaMan99
(Post 7454823)
I don't see it carrying the APEXi brand name do you? To reword what you wanted to say, "Its just another piggy back fuel computer".
You got nothing better else to do so you interpret things with your own English? Stop wasting my time. Better yet, you go on the ignore list already, since you never offer anything useful. -Ted |
Originally Posted by NZConvertible
(Post 7454706)
Did you actually read it?
"It interpolates between the steps (ie smooths the curve of the adjustments)... ...on the subject of driveability, it is brilliant – we spent over 24 months and thousands of kilometres trialling the DFA in different cars... and if the modified air/fuel ratios are set correctly, the drivability remains absolutely factory." Too much of it went "blah blah blah", my brain just shut down after a while. Though I was conscious enough to just read the important parts, but I missed that part. Don't really care about products like this. I haven't messed around with an S-AFC in a long time. It's all full EMS' now... -Ted |
This brings up a question that I have concerning piggybacks: What about closed loop?
Say you put 720 primary and secondary into your TII and use a fuel controller to adjust. Does the N/A ecu have the ability to control the duty cycle to get your AFR to 14.7? Or is this why most people use 550 primaries in the TII, to preserve closed loop? And what about a N/A turbo? I understand the N/A vert ecu can run a turbo N/A conversion. Does this mean that the Vert ecu can attain Stoic with 550 primaries? |
The last time I had a SAFC in a car, the closed loop function of the ECU would over ride the SAFC. I'm talking closed loop driving, not WOT. Not idling. Just Closed loop.
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Originally Posted by HAILERS
(Post 7456579)
The last time I had a SAFC in a car, the closed loop function of the ECU would over ride the SAFC. I'm talking closed loop driving, not WOT. Not idling. Just Closed loop.
thx |
Originally Posted by RETed
(Post 7454965)
You got nothing better else to do so you interpret things with your own English?
Stop wasting my time. Better yet, you go on the ignore list already, since you never offer anything useful. Too much of it went "blah blah blah"...
Originally Posted by jackhild59
(Post 7456298)
This brings up a question that I have concerning piggybacks: What about closed loop?
Say you put 720 primary and secondary into your TII and use a fuel controller to adjust. Does the N/A ecu have the ability to control the duty cycle to get your AFR to 14.7? Personally I wouldn't want to go below -20% correction, which means up to 690cc/min secondaries and stock primaries on the NA ECU or up to 825cc/min secondaries and stock primaries on the Turbo ECU. If you need more fuel than that you should get a standalone or just put up with richer-than-ideal mixtures. |
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