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Skip2MyPou 07-27-09 03:23 PM

Compression test--good? bad?
 
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flaco 07-27-09 03:32 PM

turbo ??na??? looks good

Skip2MyPou 07-27-09 03:34 PM

N/a

maac0953 07-27-09 03:37 PM

my computer is too slow to watch the movie.:icon_tdow

but what psi do each rotor have. front? rear? :dunno:

Skip2MyPou 07-27-09 03:42 PM

Front: 35psi (release valve held open), 120psi overall reading (release valve closed)
Rear: 34psi (release valve held open), 115psi overall reading (release valve closed

maac0953 07-27-09 03:44 PM

wow your motor is in perfect shape man. how many miles?? is it rebuilt!:icon_tup::icon_tup:

Skip2MyPou 07-27-09 03:48 PM

290,xxxkms on the chassis. i finally got around to checking the compression of the motor because i was unsure if the motor had original kms on it or not. not bad for an s5 for 600 bucks! person was selling it because the transmission was stuck in reverse, but it was a free, effortless fix :D

KKMpunkrock2011 07-27-09 03:58 PM

f'n A man! good deal!

maac0953 07-27-09 04:00 PM

so 290,000kms is how many miles?lol i dont know that km stuff.:lol:
but good deal man,any pics of the car?

and with the reverse thing, nothing a little muscle cant fix:icon_tup:

stevensimon 07-27-09 04:04 PM

im confused.. you guys are saying 35psi is good? a good motor pulls around 90-100 at the low end.

try doing a proper comp test though. take out the valve in the end of the tester and retest. valve closed test doesnt mean shit about anything.

maac0953 07-27-09 04:09 PM

no were looking at the 120/front and 115/rear. read closer dude.

my TII has 90/front 80/rear so my motor is tired.:( but it still pulls hard though so iam happy


but remember i also have lower compression too. so ill rebuild mine in a few months

Skip2MyPou 07-27-09 04:13 PM

Yeah, I was pretty happy with the buy. Stevensimon, check rotaryressurection. I doublechecked there when I used the piston engine compression tester.
Here are some pics of my car:
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RotaryRocket88 07-27-09 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by stevensimon (Post 9385299)
im confused.. you guys are saying 35psi is good? a good motor pulls around 90-100 at the low end.

try doing a proper comp test though. take out the valve in the end of the tester and retest. valve closed test doesnt mean shit about anything.

35 psi per rotor face. 35psi x 3 = 105 psi combined.

SpeedOfLife 07-27-09 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by RotaryRocket88 (Post 9385376)
35 psi per rotor face. 35psi x 3 = 105 psi combined.

That's not how it works... like someone said, read the Rotary Resurrection writeup.

stevensimon 07-27-09 06:27 PM

i must be really confused then.. im looking at a beat tired motor that cant even pull 50psi. i have no idea what you guys are smoking..

sharingan 19 07-27-09 06:29 PM

+1
Anyone who thinks 35 is good, go take the schrader valve out of your compression tester and watch the needle while your motor turns over (pedal to the floor).

To the OP, make sure you followe the writeup on the aforementioned site properly. You should be seeing at least 75psi per bump.

RotaryRocket88 07-27-09 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by SpeedOfLife (Post 9385536)
That's not how it works... like someone said, read the Rotary Resurrection writeup.

Actually, you should read it yourself. http://www.rotaryresurrection.com/2n...ion_check.html


8) observe the needle bounces. You should see 3 in succession without skips, even bounces, in roughly the 30-35psi range.
9) let out on the valve now, and let the tester reach an overall compression value for all 3 faces(highest of 3 will be displayed). 115+ is like new, 100-115 is healthy, 90-100 is getting weak(1 year or less in most cases) below 90 could blow at any moment.
Not all testers have a schrader valve to remove, and most have a bleeder button you can press to vent pressure between bumps. What I said before isn't totally right; the bumps are for each rotor face, but part of the pressure is vented in between.

stevensimon 07-27-09 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by RotaryRocket88 (Post 9385715)
Actually, you should read it yourself. http://www.rotaryresurrection.com/2n...ion_check.html



Not all testers have a schrader valve to remove, and most have a bleeder button you can press to vent pressure between bumps.

there must be something fantastically wrong with my motor then.. pulling 110 on all faces with the valve pushed in. i have never tried adding the total of all faces though. his site doesnt tell me what 330psi means.


but in any case. as long as it runs well then be happy.

RotaryRocket88 07-27-09 07:24 PM

There's something odd with your tester then. The needed drops towards 0 between pulses, right (w/ the valve open)?

Forget what I said before about adding them up. I forgot the air gets partially vented, so the 30-35 psi figure is pretty useless except to tell you that you have compression on each face. It's only part of the pressure. But with the valve closed, you will see the highest compression of the 3 faces. They're usually (or hopefully) about equal anyway. There's nothing wrong with your engine; 110psi is great. My current engine has 110-120psi on all faces.

Stanello 07-27-09 08:02 PM

What the hell is going on in this thread?

Each face should give at least 90psi.

need RX7 07-27-09 08:43 PM

Yeah I've always been confused by this. 35psi per face doesn't sound right at all. My 202k-mile S4 n/a makes about 90psi per face on a conventional tester with the valve held open. It seems like 30-ish psi on each face wouldn't even be enough to ignite the intake charge. :dunno:

pfsantos 07-27-09 09:11 PM

Stevensimon/Stanello, etc:
How can you guys have such high readings while holding the air vent/release/shrader valve open? What write up or source are you using for your testing?

How I've learned to do it (fc3s or wankel.net or something)...
When you have the valve open, you're not looking for a reading above 90PSI - you're looking for even bounces, that's all. It will show you if all the chambers are sealing. Because the vent/release/etc. is open, part of the pressure is being lost. Three even bounces - good. Two even, one low - side seal bad. Two low, one higher, apex seal is bad/lost. No?

When you leave the air vent/release/shrader (closed), you're looking for a steady build up op pressure, and should end up with a min. of 90PSI.

sharingan 19 07-28-09 12:41 AM


Originally Posted by pfsantos (Post 9386008)
Stevensimon/Stanello, etc:
How can you guys have such high readings while holding the air vent/release/shrader valve open?

you don't hold it open, you remove it.

Furthermore, a couple of factors can affect your readings:
Battery - make sure its fully charged
Throttle - make sure its open fully (pedal to floor)
Engine Temp - Cold compression tests may be misleading


Originally Posted by pfsantos (Post 9386008)
What write up or source are you using for your testing?

one source: http://www.aaroncake.net/RX-7/blown.htm


Originally Posted by pfsantos (Post 9386008)
When you have the valve open, you're not looking for a reading above 90PSI - you're looking for even bounces, that's all. It will show you if all the chambers are sealing. Because the vent/release/etc. is open, part of the pressure is being lost. Three even bounces - good. Two even, one low - side seal bad. Two low, one higher, apex seal is bad/lost. No?

Correct, even bumps will show that you have proper sealing between faces. However with the valve removed careful observation will reveal the compression for each face of the rotor as well.


Originally Posted by pfsantos (Post 9386008)
When you leave the air vent/release/shrader (closed), you're looking for a steady build up op pressure, and should end up with a min. of 90PSI.

I guess... But whatever number u end up with is going to be the highest reading of all faces. Assuming that they're all pretty close, its not really a big deal, but its not the most accurate way.

iani1.1 07-28-09 12:50 AM

i dont mean to thread jack, but since we're on the subject of compression test. doing a wet compression test on a rotary tell anything?

i know the purpose of a wet test just curious on what type of reading you would get.

incubuseva 07-28-09 01:40 AM

Wanna explain what a wet compression test is?


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