Cat back exhaust
I'm looking at picking up a cat back this summer since it doesn't cost me any prep points for auto X.
First of all can a good cat-back make a noticable difference on an N/A s4? Secondly, what are some good catback setups? |
Most cat backs give you roughly 5-8 hp and for some good set ups that ive heard of is Borla catback exhaust with a Racing Beat header.
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Catback wont gain you much. Why not go with a full RB system?
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Originally Posted by Travis V
Most cat backs give you roughly 5-8 hp and for some good set ups that ive heard of is Borla catback exhaust with a Racing Beat header.
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you can lose alot of weight, and make it sound better at least
i had a catback made at a muffler shop for 100$ and found a header for 160. i'd estimate at least a 10hp gain |
If he is trying to stay in stock class, SCCA rules state, "... Any part of the exhaust system beyond (downstream from) the header/manifold or catalytic converter, if so equipped, can be substituted..."
STS2 or SP would allow the whole exhaust to be replaced though. |
If I were you i'd first get a header that will give you more hp gains then a catback alone would IMO.
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Originally Posted by FCKing1995
Catback wont gain you much. Why not go with a full RB system?
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Ill agree its high. But for the quality of the material and build, along with hp gains and sound, it makes it worth it to ME. I have a RB True Duel on my FB and will never go with any other system on future fb's, unless I go really high hp, then ill go custom 3''
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A full exhaust will bump me out of stock class (which i don't want to do at this moment), JUST a cat back is acceptable to stay in stock, and doesn't cost me ANY prep points; where max stock points is 2.
I guess anther question is, if i buy a catback, how easy/hard is it to eventually convert to full exhasut (header back) withc having to get rid of the catback? ...and how much $$$ am i looking at for a (borla? RB?) catback? |
On my FC3C S4 I started out by adding a SS Autochrome / Motoria dual cat-back I picked up on eBay for a song. Unfortunately I don't see them selling on eBay right now, but this is a nice set of pipes, "Beat" styled...
http://www.ssautochrome.com/level.itml/icOid/1482 http://www.ssautochrome.com/products/1685.jpg Later I added the RB downpipe and Random Technology cat, (this drops the two pre-cats, and the RT cat alledgedly flows like a presilencer, but will still pass emissions, other than visual of course...) The cat-back alone power increase seems quite minimal, but the aesthetics of look and sound are not to be underestimated. Adding a cat back now shouldn't limit your options later for headers, downpipes and such as they're often designed as bolt-in replacements matching the mfr. fittings and sizes, and custom exhaust work is really no big deal if you want to do something different. |
Originally Posted by Red'vert
Adding a cat back now shouldn't limit your options later
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N/A Racing Beat catback exhaust:
http://www.racingbeat.com/FRmazda2.htm N/A Borla Catback exhaust: http://www.borla.com/applications/lo..._System/14192/ Personally id go with the Racing Beat. |
I got the racingbeat catback, and i didn't notice any gains whatsoever (other than looks) untill i got the downpipe and presilencer.
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Are the RB catbacks only available online?
A slightly off topic question...are the aux ports activated by the air pump, or exhaust back-pressure? Cause in my Haynes manual it looks as though they activate from the air pump, but the RB header has a aux port pick-up tube. |
Originally Posted by Unseen24-7
A slightly off topic question...are the aux ports activated by the air pump, or exhaust back-pressure? Cause in my Haynes manual it looks as though they activate from the air pump, but the RB header has a aux port pick-up tube.
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Originally posted by Unseen24-7 ...and how much $$$ am i looking at for a (borla? RB?) catback? I'd suggest posting a "WTB" thread in the for-sale/wanted part section. |
I wound up starting w/ a RB Header & pre-silencer, leaving the stock y-pipe & mufflers. That melted the mufflers within about a month.
I mulled over going RB or Borla catback, but ultimately went w/ Borla for a more stock'ish tone... I'm VERY happy, but am hardly a dyno god... Just a guy who wants a sweet street 7. |
Do you really think the Borla cat-back sounds more stock-ish than the RB? I'd always heard the RB was very quiet. I had the Borla on my mildly street ported '90 GTU along with the Bonez cat, then later used a Random Technology cat with a stainless downpipe I got made at a muffler shop. Always kept the stock header. None of these combinations was quiet. With either cat, I had a bit of a drone at 3100 RPM, plus the overall sound was pretty loud. I got used to it, but my wife more or less refused to ride in the car!
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MmSadda, Do you really think the Borla cat-back sounds more stock-ish than the RB? I'd always heard the RB was very quiet. I had the Borla on my mildly street ported '90 GTU along with the Bonez cat, then later used a Random Technology cat with a stainless downpipe I got made at a muffler shop. Always kept the stock header. None of these combinations was quiet. With either cat, I had a bit of a drone at 3100 RPM, plus the overall sound was pretty loud. I got used to it, but my wife more or less refused to ride in the car!
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McHack, Do you really think the Borla cat-back sounds more stock-ish than the RB? I'd always heard the RB was very quiet. I had the Borla on my mildly street ported '90 GTU along with the Bonez cat, then later used a Random Technology cat with a stainless downpipe I got made at a muffler shop. Always kept the stock header. None of these combinations was quiet. With either cat, I had a bit of a drone at 3100 RPM, plus the overall sound was pretty loud. I got used to it, but my wife more or less refused to ride in the car!
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I can't say for certain, I dont have exposure to the RB's tone other than in videos. IMHO, the RB header + presilencer + Borla Catback is hardly what I would consider "loud"... To me, It has a nice deep full sounding tone, & not pingy. Again, YMMV & IME...
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You know what I would like to hear, a racing beat header to racing beat pre-silencer to borla catback. Then we can compare the sound to my full racing beat exhaust. It does sound kind of pingy like you said, my N1 was a lot deeper then the RB catback all the way through the power band. If I could have the looks of my RB catback with the deep sound of the N1 just quiter I would be golden.
Here's my racing beat full exhaust: http://sdjones.org/exhaust/rb_collected_no_load.mp3 |
Hate to be the one to say it. But if your trying to stay in the stock class. Seeing as a catback will gain you little to no horsepower. Is there anything else you havent done that you can do and still remain in the class? A catback will run you $500-$600, vs. doing other mods now and probably gain more hp, then go full exhaust later for only $200 more...
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