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fidelity101 07-16-06 11:37 AM

cant keep flywheel still!
 
apparently no auto store has heard of a flywheel locker or carry one and I already got the massive 54mm socket now I just cant keep the flywheel from turning!

I cant just order the way over priced part from mazdatrix because i need to get it done to day.

help?


BTW: im installing the RB aluminum flywheel.

Carzy Driver 07-16-06 11:41 AM

get a small piece of chain, about 6-8 in. bolt one end to the flywheel using one of the clutch bolts. bolt the other end to the rear iron using one of the bolts used to mount the transmission. problem solved.

fidelity101 07-16-06 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by carzy driver
get a small piece of chain, about 6-8 in. bolt one end to the flywheel using one of the clutch bolts. bolt the other end to the rear iron using one of the bolts used to mount the transmission. problem solved.

hey good deal! :)

Sideways7 07-16-06 11:56 AM

RB makes a flywheel stopper bar. Its basically an iron bar with holes drilled in it, but it works. It wont help you much, but its just for future refference

fidelity101 07-16-06 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by Sideways7
RB makes a flywheel stopper bar. Its basically an iron bar with holes drilled in it, but it works. It wont help you much, but its just for future refference

well I wish someone would have told me that while I ordered of my 1500 purchase from them

:mad:

Sideways7 07-16-06 12:10 PM

They have a very nifty 54mm flywheel nut wrench as well. The two of them came out to about 60-65 shipped, I think.

fidelity101 07-16-06 12:51 PM

gah I wish I had air tools, this bitch wont budge.

Carzy Driver 07-16-06 01:19 PM

take it to a tire shop or a truck shop.

fidelity101 07-16-06 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by carzy driver
take it to a tire shop or a truck shop.

yeah... im not rich to own a nice truck or a flatbed to tow it to there.


I just borrowed my neighbors tank and that sucker came right off!

but now the flywheel wont budge!? do I have to get a puller like the book says?

Smoken' 07-16-06 02:36 PM

Hit it with a two pound hammer up around the edge of the flywheel. You want to hit it in the area where the bolts for the clutch attach. Hit it a couple of times and it will pop right off.

tinvestor 07-16-06 02:38 PM

keeping the flywheel or upgrading?

fidelity101 07-16-06 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by tinvestor
keeping the flywheel or upgrading?

Im staring at my aluminum RB flywheel waiting to put that biotch in.



Originally Posted by Smoken'
Hit it with a two pound hammer up around the edge of the flywheel. You want to hit it in the area where the bolts for the clutch attach. Hit it a couple of times and it will pop right off.


I just tried that again and nothing.

is there like a snap ring or a key or something that needs to be removed that I dont see?

tinvestor 07-16-06 02:45 PM

I use a sledge hammer around the perimeter of the flywheel but I usually am replacing the flywheel if your not replacing it you can have a friend hold a block of wood where you are going to hit to protect the flywheel.

fidelity101 07-16-06 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by tinvestor
I use a sledge hammer around the perimeter of the flywheel but I usually am replacing the flywheel if your not replacing it you can have a friend hold a block of wood where you are going to hit to protect the flywheel.

that sounds dangerous to the E shaft...


edit: you live in bartlett?

I have friends/family there

I live in geneva

tinvestor 07-16-06 02:51 PM

yes bartlett and that should have no effect on the e shaft. I have had them where you had to beat the hell out of them to get them off. This is best for when you are replacing the flywheel. Is the engine out? if so then just haul off and whack it good

fidelity101 07-16-06 02:53 PM

naw, the engine is sitting on its mounts, I got the car about a foot and a half in the air on 4 jacks.

and so far that sledgehammer isnt working.

tinvestor 07-16-06 03:42 PM

that is the only way I have ever gotten it off sometimes it takes 10 good hits on alternating sides 90 degrees apart or so.

HeffBoost 07-16-06 04:22 PM

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Neo-Luddites. Put the sledgehammer down and do it right.

fidelity101 07-16-06 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by HeffBoost
Neo-Luddites. Put the sledgehammer down and do it right.

for the past hour ive been modifying a timming case cover puller or something to work and I almost got it.

i hope.

fidelity101 07-17-06 04:20 PM

okay day 2 putting the RB flywheel on


I dont have any torque wrenches that go to 300, mine only goes to 175

if I just impact it in will it be okay?

classicauto 07-17-06 04:28 PM

thats all I've ever done.......Im not saying its "proper" Im just saying Ive put 30,000kms on a flywheel that was put on with an impact.

fidelity101 07-17-06 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by classicauto
thats all I've ever done.......Im not saying its "proper" Im just saying Ive put 30,000kms on a flywheel that was put on with an impact.

yeah but its on tight.

cause its really hot outside and this huge drivetrain swap has gone on since friday night :(

tinvestor 07-17-06 04:48 PM

On a rebuild video I bought they say to use a 1 foot long 100 ft pound torque wrench and practice till you have the feel for what 100 ft ponds feels like then use a 3 foot bar to torque it. I am certain that this is not going to be all that accurate however, it should be fairly close.

Carzy Driver 07-17-06 05:03 PM

I believe Aaron said something in one of his posts about torqueing the nut to 150 and with a impact gun give it another 60 degree turn and she sould be snug.

Sideways7 07-17-06 06:13 PM

The directions that came with the massive racing beat wrench said to put your full wieght on it a certain distance out. For instance, if you weigh 175, you would put your full weight 2 feet out from the center. If you weight 120, put full weight 3 feet out, ect. So you could get a pipe extencion on a breaker bar and approximate it that way. I don't think it has to be exatly 350, so as long as your close you chould be fine.

Sideways7 07-17-06 06:21 PM

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Heres a scan of the directions:
https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...d=186027&stc=1

Aaron Cake 07-18-06 10:31 AM

A search for "flywheel removal" will probably answer every question in this thread...However...

To remove the flywheel, pry from the back with a pry bar while someone smacks the face with a small sledge hammer. Use a block of wood to protect the flywheel if you intend to reuse it. Generally this removes it in one blow.

To torque the nut, apply red Loctite to the threads, silicone sealant to the face of the nut that goes against the flywheel, then torque to 150 Ft-LBS. Then using an impact wrench (actual size basically irrevelant as long as it can move the nut...) turn it another 60 degrees, which is the distance from one point on the nut to another.

drago86 07-18-06 11:13 AM

Ive allways used a puller to get the flywheel/counter weight off. Its just a piece of thick steel with two holes drilled into it for the bolts on the counterweight/flywheel, tighten the bolts with the flywheel nut prtly screweed on to protect the threads and it pops right off.



* replace the needle bearings/thrust washers if you use the big f'n hammer method.

HAILERS 07-18-06 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by Sideways7


That's the way I've been doing it. It falls under *Common Sense*. I don't think its applicable for a engine in the car though. No room to step on the handle.

jwc3299 07-18-06 12:17 PM

The easy way to remove the flywheel is to use the bolt holes that are in the stock flywheel.
Use 2 thin pieces of steel behind where the the bolt will come though to protect the seal on the other side.
Tighten both bolts and then hit it with a rubber mallet, it'll pop right off.

My5ABaby 07-18-06 12:20 PM

If you under-torque to 270 or over-torque to 340 (examples), what are the repurcussions?

RotaryEvolution 07-18-06 12:26 PM

beat the shit out of it around the outside edge. also be sure to keep the flywheel nut on by a few threads to keep the heavy as hell flywheel from falling onto your head/hands/feet/other body parts.

Sideways7 07-18-06 03:32 PM

I did just what karak said. I used a hard rubber mallet and whacked it good and hard all the way around the ouside.

buttsjim 07-18-06 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by HAILERS
That's the way I've been doing it. It falls under *Common Sense*. I don't think its applicable for a engine in the car though. No room to step on the handle.

If you can't stand on it, use a bathroom scale. For example, if you have a two foot handle, rest the handle on the scale and push or pull until the scale reads 150 lbs. Or, whatever, depending on the length of your wrench handle. Torque = force (weight) x distance.

My5ABaby 07-19-06 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by buttsjim
If you can't stand on it, use a bathroom scale. For example, if you have a two foot handle, rest the handle on the scale and push or pull until the scale reads 150 lbs. Or, whatever, depending on the length of your wrench handle. Torque = force (weight) x distance.

What the fuck, why didn't I think of that.

buttsjim 07-19-06 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by My5ABaby
What the fuck, why didn't I think of that.

I work late at night, and usually drink a few beers. Most people say that necessity is the mother of invention, but few know that beer is the daddy.


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