Banzai vs Racing beat
 

So im looking to buy motor mounts for my new project and was think of either getting the

banzai motor mount kit for 170
or
racing beat 40% stiffer than stock motor mounts, the Torque brace, and the banzia tranny mount for 200

Which do you guys think is better. i really think the torque brace is pretty cool. if i get that and the 40% stiffer mounts do you think that will be better/worse/equal to the banzia racing kit?

Those mounts that Racing Beat sells (available elsewhere too) are by far a better design and are the only ones of those two that'll properly isolate the engine from the chassis. The Banzai mounts are more or less glorified hockey pucks with bolts through them, an iteration of the lazyest/worst possible mount design (they'll argue this point, but there's no escaping the fact that it's a bolt through a puck shaped piece of plasitc). They will not provide you with proper isolation, because ALL of the tension loads on the mounts are taken by the bolt, so the engine's never fully isolated from the chassis.

I've got Mazda comp mounts and I'm very happy with them. I'd never consider running any bolt through puck type mounts like the Banzai ones are, it's a bad design, period.

If you're running serious power and are worried about strength or stiffness or some such thing, AWR makes a properly designed poly mount and is the ONLY one other than the Mazda mounts that I'd ever run. They're pricy though, but you pay for proper design.

I am not going to argue anything, these threads are tiresome. Do a search you will find that this has been beat to death for years, this is in no way a new topic. We sell hundreds of sets of mounts every year and that is testimonial enough that they are a great design.

If you want stock mushy mounts that will rip apart buy the Mazda Comp, end of story.

More realistically, you're not going to argue because he is right. Selling a lot of a poorly designed product does not mean it is a well-designed product, it simply means the poorly-designed product is 2 things:
1. attractively priced
2. marketed with false claims.

Example: look at how many of those stupid tornado sheet metal intake pieces of junk have been sold. Cheap, and marketed by excellent snake-oil salesmen.

also, as much as I love racingbeat. I think the mazdatrix torque brace that's integrated into their strut bars is a better design. but they're also a lot more expensive.

If you can live with *minor* NVH from the engien mounts, use them.

I've personally run many combos of mounts, and found that the largest NVH culprit is the trans mounts. Stock (or comp.) trans mounts with poly bolt through engine mounts are pretty damn tolerable. Bolt through engine AND trans mounts.....................hang onto the dash board, cause it might shake loose.

Actually, more realistically, I am tired of the internet-armchair-engineers knocking a product they have never even seen in person, nevermind riden in a car with them installed. He is not even close to being right, has not been right in the other multiple threads on this subject either.

We run these mounts in 500hp and 600hp street and track cars. We have also destroyed new Mazda Comp mounts in one day of use. Anyone that wants to take advice from an engineer wanna-be go right ahead. Our mounts prove themselves over and over again in cars all over the world.

However, if you want stock feeling mounts, then by all means buy stock mounts.

People that give opinions on products they have never tried are just spouting useless info, and fall into the category of douchebag-blowhard-ass-clown..... So thank you for your input.

back to 2004

https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...i+motor+mounts

Do a search on "Banzai motor mounts" in just the 2nd gen section it will bring back 2 pages of results, do the whole forum you will be reading for days. Again this is not a new topic, so feel free to argue amongst yourselves, I have real design work to do and a bunch of engines to build.

ive had or driven cars with all three stock mounts and solids. i'm old this is my opinion

1. solids, i was actually suprised at how nice they were, totally smooth EXCEPT for around idle, then it shakes the car, for me, thats unacceptable, unless i was drag racing i wouldn't bother

2. comp mounts; these are rough, dont like it

3. vert mounts, these are different from the coupe, not sure on numbers, they are stiffer than stock, but no vibration! this is my preference in a street car.

4. stock, they are cheap....

I had nothing against you or your products untill you acted like some greasy used car salesman in a thread a while back while making wild claims about your products with absolutely no proof or even any evidence to that effect. When I called you on it, you tried to tell me that it was MY responsability to test and prove or disprove YOUR claims, absolving you of any responsability to be truthful, putting the burden of proof on the customer. You've also make claims like your mounts have only ever broken due to incorrect installation, which is a huge cop out, since how the hell can you know if they were installed incorrectly? Yea, that's not the kind of company I want to deal with.

We've gone over this before, my engineering degree means I'm no wanna-be.

Please, PLEASE tell me how I'm wrong. Are your mounts made of a cylindrical piece of polyeurethane (which I would say is decidedly similiar to a hockey puck)? Yes. Are they attached with a bolt that passes all the way through the mount? Yes. Is the tension load carried through the bolt? Yes. So how am I wrong with what I said? Ok so you use two big washers, one with a nut welded on, but that doesn't change the fact that the basis of the design is a "puck" with a bolt through it, hence it's an iteration of the hockey puck with a bolt through it mount design.

Are the Mazda Comp mounts perfect? No. Are they indestructable? No, but your mounts sure as heck aren't perfect or indestructable either and the Mazda Comp ones sure as heck aren't as fragile as you make them out to be.

Sales are NOT proof of good design and never will be, no matter how much you wish it to be so.



I've said my piece, I'm done, no point in arguing any more with this guy here.

Ive always been a fan of these:

http://www.awrracing.com/store/produ...products_id=76


Though I'd also like to stress that Ive had nothing but pleasant experiences when buying from Banzai.

Your last paragraph isn't a real good business tactic. Calling people obsenities is no way to attract customers. My hypothesis ( this could be wrong, but it is a hypothesis) is that you just rake in the money on ignorant customers and lash out on those who question your business.

I have never purchased anything from you, so I have no idea on the quality of your product, but based on your forum posts I have no intention of buying from you at any time.

Oh, and I am not saying this as a customer, but a business owner myself.

Noltec engine mounts are by far my favorite. Spendy, but total insulation from vibration and at the same time excellent engine torque management design.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...3AIT&viewitem=

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500hp chain the damn thing down :)

I am not going to kiss your ass or anyone elses to sell a product. Do a search, check the good guy/bad guy section. You will not be able to find any negative feedback on any of our transactions, but the good guy section is loaded with praise. I recommend that you choise your sides wisely. I have been working on Rx7s for over 20years ,we have been designing parts for the RX7 longer then most people on this board have had their driver's licences, and we will still be developing parts long after you have sold your car. Just to make sure that you do not accidentally buy anything from us please forward your Email address and name to sales@banzai-racing.com so we can add you to our "Do not sell to list", anyone else that wants to be added please do the same.

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br don't let it get to you man everyone has opinions people who listen to one opinion are probably pretty shallow minded anyhow . just keep up the good work.
And you know there is always gonna be someone not happy no matter how hard you try and please them .:)

I would just like to add the the mazda comp mounts are not "stock mushy mounts" and will not just "rip apart"

Ford has been making cars for over 100 years, but they still make a poor quality product.
The amount of time you have been working on RX-7's or making parts for them is irrelevant: the part that we are directly discussing is an example of poor engineering. To this date, you have not come up with any plausible counter-arguments (because none exist), and this being the case, you must therefore agree and market the product anyway.

First of all, I have seen and ridden in a car with poly mounts. The increase in NVH was identical to the solid aluminum puck mounts that they replaced, so stop assuming that I have no experience (installed on a bridgeport with 200hp direct port nitrous).

i this really how you want to sound?

had the banzai mounts in my supercharged sa, held up great and stiff!

I'm not taking any sides, and want to stay out of this but.. What do you mean?

really? this is my opinion, but banzai racing's tone in this thread, from his first post has been rude

and now we have to "choose our sides wisely" WFT does that mean?

i mean really, if he sells "hundreds of mounts a year" with great feedback, then who cares about 1 guy who doesn't like the design. why be rude about it?

really what? i didn't even ask anything but what you meant lol..

but umm i guess if he calls mazda comp mushy, that's why he says choose your side wisely, defending his point maybe.. that his product is actually good lol

and our logic is probably different about what he said.. but what i think is that.. instead of asking why being rude since you're just once customer.. i think it's more of a.. "since i sell hundreds of mounts a year, i don't need to take shit from some guy that's bashing on my product.."

eugh, ended up typing a whole essay hah..

I hve never used or seen banzai products first-hand so I have no opinion on the matter. Though I find his attitude in this thread to be rude and impolite. Not to attractive for potential future customers like myself. :Wconfused I also find it weird that negative opinions by others must automatically be dismissed because they are deemed arm-chair engineers. And its not even an from an isolated customer, its from many members of this site. So they are ALL 100% wrong and they have absolutely 0 valid point? How can you be that narcissist? Since the start of industrialization, products have always evolved based on customer reviews and needs.


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