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skullzaflare 03-25-10 10:52 PM

bad idle/upper misfire
 
i picked up a 90 vert, auto.
125k mileage
2nd gear is slow shifting, like riding a clutch

problems
idle, idle will bounce 1200-1600
if i rev it over 2000, it will idle smooth at 1050 for a few seconds then start surging again

if i hold the rpms at anything below 4200 it has a even pop, pop, pop, pop in the exhaust
all plugs and wires have been replaced

any ideas?

calpatriot 03-25-10 11:42 PM

Sounds like a vacuum leak.

skullzaflare 03-25-10 11:46 PM


Originally Posted by calpatriot (Post 9893754)
Sounds like a vacuum leak.

any idea where they normally leak? theres a slight light hiss on the driver side, but nothing i could find

skullzaflare 03-26-10 09:28 AM

ok this morning i started it, idling at 2000, i sprayed every vacuum hose with brake cleaner, never changed anything, and still have a slight hiss noise

lonewolfrx 03-26-10 11:10 AM

check your tps if its in spec.

skullzaflare 03-26-10 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by lonewolfrx (Post 9894524)
check your tps if its in spec.

thats the next thing i had planned to so
is there a guide to check it on a n/a? is it anything similar to a miata check?

Go48 03-26-10 12:08 PM

Also check the air intake piping for leaks upstream of the AFM. Unmetered air leaking into the piping can cause rough idle since the ECU is not accounting for the added air when setting the fuel input. You may have to pull the AFM, fashion an adapter/plug out of a PVC plug for the opening and pressurize the piping. That will quickly tell you if there is a leak, but don't pressurize to more than a few psi. And when you do, stand back, 'cause if the piping is sealed, the plug may just come flying out.:)

skullzaflare 03-26-10 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by Go48 (Post 9894628)
Also check the air intake piping for leaks upstream of the AFM. Unmetered air leaking into the piping can cause rough idle since the ECU is not accounting for the added air when setting the fuel input. You may have to pull the AFM, fashion an adapter/plug out of a PVC plug for the opening and pressurize the piping. That will quickly tell you if there is a leak, but don't pressurize to more than a few psi. And when you do, stand back, 'cause if the piping is sealed, the plug may just come flying out.:)

well I've had the intake off a few timems now, the 2 vacuum hoses under the hose at the top fit a little loose, where do tthey run to?

skullzaflare 05-02-10 06:36 PM

I was told to bump this

jjcobm 05-02-10 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by skullzaflare (Post 9894782)
well I've had the intake off a few timems now, the 2 vacuum hoses under the hose at the top fit a little loose, where do tthey run to?

If you are talking about the intake tube that goes to the TB, the two big hoses that connect to it. One goes to the Bypass Air Control valve and the other goes to the ACV if I remember correctly...

Dltreezan 05-02-10 08:09 PM

Im jumping in and keeping and eye until this gets fixed. I wonder if HAILERS has any input.

skullzaflare 05-03-10 11:13 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFl7d3Jgd0Q

calpatriot 05-03-10 11:31 AM

That hiss you are hearing is not normal, and could be a vacuum leak. Did you check the hoses and fittings going to the power brake booster? It's on that side... if it is leaking internally, you might not find it with the carb cleaner test. Try pulling the hose to the brake and capping it temporarily, see if the hiss goes away... look also at the hoses for the BAC valve and AWS solenoid; they are also fairly large and could be a source of a leak.

skullzaflare 05-03-10 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by calpatriot (Post 9972137)
That hiss you are hearing is not normal, and could be a vacuum leak. Did you check the hoses and fittings going to the power brake booster? It's on that side... if it is leaking internally, you might not find it with the carb cleaner test. Try pulling the hose to the brake and capping it temporarily, see if the hiss goes away... look also at the hoses for the BAC valve and AWS solenoid; they are also fairly large and could be a source of a leak.

the hiss IS on the driver side, but its not even near the brake booster, its close to the power steering pump, thats why i was thinking the pump was noisy. i sprayed carb cleaner on every hose to no avail, but when i sprayed anywhere near or on the intake mani it dies down a bit

skullzaflare 05-03-10 07:04 PM

well i may have just solved my problem. im over to baltimore MD weds to buy a wrecked 88 vert, its "good running" and 5 speed, ill just make sure it runs good before i buy it, and do a 5 speed swap while i switch motors

jjcobm 05-03-10 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by skullzaflare (Post 9973032)
well i may have just solved my problem. im over to baltimore MD weds to buy a wrecked 88 vert, its "good running" and 5 speed, ill just make sure it runs good before i buy it, and do a 5 speed swap while i switch motors

:Wconfused talk about tossing parts to fix the problem, you have an intake leak and if you look hard it won't take long for you to fix it (confirmed by you spraying carb cleaner around the intake area and engine dies down). If your current engine is in good condition (compression wise) i don't see a need to swap a perfectly good engine out, besides the transmission part. The swap is going to take a lot of your time, if you thought this was hard, be prepared for it.

skullzaflare 05-03-10 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by jjcobm (Post 9973083)
:Wconfused talk about tossing parts to fix the problem, you have an intake leak and if you look hard it won't take long for you to fix it (confirmed by you spraying carb cleaner around the intake area and engine dies down). If your current engine is in good condition (compression wise) i don't see a need to swap a perfectly good engine out, besides the transmission part. The swap is going to take a lot of your time, if you thought this was hard, be prepared for it.

would it not be easier to swap transmission in 1 foul swoop, skipping the part of seperating motor and trans in both cases, and swapping the flywheel etc?

i know i have to do the conversion, but i will have all the parts and tools i need at my disposal, minus a lift...

the car isnt a DD atm anyway, no tags either. the auto trans is basically bad, so would rather go ahead and swap it and be done then have it go out 1 month after fixing a leak and being legal.

i have to find the compression gauge, i still have yet to do a compression check.
also, the OMP is failing on this motor anyway

atleast its thrown a code for OMP twice (got 2 stoke oil in gas fyi)

jjcobm 05-03-10 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by skullzaflare (Post 9973110)
would it not be easier to swap transmission in 1 foul swoop, skipping the part of seperating motor and trans in both cases, and swapping the flywheel etc?

i know i have to do the conversion, but i will have all the parts and tools i need at my disposal, minus a lift...

the car isnt a DD atm anyway, no tags either. the auto trans is basically bad, so would rather go ahead and swap it and be done then have it go out 1 month after fixing a leak and being legal.

i have to find the compression gauge, i still have yet to do a compression check.
also, the OMP is failing on this motor anyway

atleast its thrown a code for OMP twice (got 2 stoke oil in gas fyi)

You have a code for the OMP and you are wondering why the car is misfiring and not running well??? The 2 stroke oil will not help anything, and you must be very lucky the OMP has not fried the ECU yet if it is really bad. If the transmission is bad, then I would say yes, much easier to just go ahead and swap everything out in that case. Sounds like you have more than just an intake leak now that you mentioned this, so that new engine with transmission will be the best way to go if you have easy access to it...

skullzaflare 05-03-10 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by jjcobm (Post 9973115)
You have a code for the OMP and you are wondering why the car is misfiring and not running well??? The 2 stroke oil will not help anything, and you must be very lucky the OMP has not fried the ECU yet if it is really bad. If the transmission is bad, then I would say yes, much easier to just go ahead and swap everything out in that case. Sounds like you have more than just an intake leak now that you mentioned this, so that new engine with transmission will be the best way to go if you have easy access to it...

omp doesnt trip a code unless the car runs for 30+ minutes

skullzaflare 05-03-10 11:43 PM


Originally Posted by skullzaflare (Post 9972338)
the hiss IS on the driver side, but its not even near the brake booster, its close to the power steering pump, thats why i was thinking the pump was noisy. i sprayed carb cleaner on every hose to no avail, but when i sprayed anywhere near or on the intake mani it dies down a bit


Originally Posted by jjcobm (Post 9973083)
:Wconfused talk about tossing parts to fix the problem, you have an intake leak and if you look hard it won't take long for you to fix it (confirmed by you spraying carb cleaner around the intake area and engine dies down). If your current engine is in good condition (compression wise) i don't see a need to swap a perfectly good engine out, besides the transmission part. The swap is going to take a lot of your time, if you thought this was hard, be prepared for it.

i feel stupid now lol, though i cant blame my arrogance to rotary
where i sprayed is NOT the intake...
borrowing a users picture
i sprayed under the intake. in the center of this picture is where i was spraying in actuality
https://i1006.photobucket.com/albums...9/DSC00765.jpg

jjcobm 05-04-10 12:08 AM

Looks like my engine bay when I had the car running!!! (hehe it is...)

You still sprayed the intake area, in the picture you can see the lower intake manifold (with the paper towels plugging it). Your intake gaskets are probably bad along with the OMP. Someone probably removed it and didn't replace it properly?

It could be that, or the grommets on the fuel injectors are leaking air or the grommets are missing all together? Or some of the hoses on the vacuum spider (the red silicone hoses in my picture) are not hooked up (those are under the intake, right next to the lower intake manifold, or the ones closer to the drivers side too)...

skullzaflare 05-04-10 12:26 AM


Originally Posted by jjcobm (Post 9973736)
Looks like my engine bay when I had the car running!!! (hehe it is...)

You still sprayed the intake area, in the picture you can see the lower intake manifold (with the paper towels plugging it). Your intake gaskets are probably bad along with the OMP. Someone probably removed it and didn't replace it properly?

It could be that, or the grommets on the fuel injectors are leaking air or the grommets are missing all together? Or some of the hoses on the vacuum spider (the red silicone hoses in my picture) are not hooked up (those are under the intake, right next to the lower intake manifold, or the ones closer to the drivers side too)...

maybe ill pull it off tomorrow.
nothing has been removed before, i bought this car, it was brought into the shop 2 years ago to fix a oil leak and exhaust leak. guy disappeared.
car sat in lot for 2 years. he showed back up, and i bought the car for $300.

still has leak, though i suspect not oil as its not loosing any as far as i can tell., atf was 1 qt low when i got it

jjcobm 05-04-10 12:29 AM

A bad OMP will put the car into limp mode, just so you know... Along with that, it can fry your ECU so make sure to take care of that...

skullzaflare 05-04-10 12:32 AM


Originally Posted by jjcobm (Post 9973778)
A bad OMP will put the car into limp mode, just so you know... Along with that, it can fry your ECU so make sure to take care of that...

i read this the first time.

yes i know what limp mode is as i drove back in limp mode the first time it hit me


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