86 mr2 vs. 86 FC
 

i have an 86 N/A and my buddy has an 86 mr2 N/A. He seems to think that his car will beat mine but we can't race because my car isn't inspected right now. Have any of you guys with gen 2's raced any mr2's. What should i expect when the time comes and which car should win. both are pretty much stock with minor intake and exhaust mods. thanks

from what I know the N/A MR2s are pretty slow. You should win.

you'll stomp a big one into him. Unless hes a 3rd gen mr2 your fine. which he's not!

MR.2 will get a nice lil ass whoopin!!!:spank:

What about the corners? Who do think would win on that....

i dont know any comparos between the early mr2's and 7's, i bet the mr2 is a quick lil mother in the twisties so you might be behind on that but you should have plenty of power over him. driver skill is much more nessesary in conering anyways so it will prolly come down to who can drive their car faster. take your cats off and he'll be seeing nothing but taillights and flames.

I'd say he'd more often then not take you in the corner, him being rear and rear. But I guess you'll have to find out yourself

Don't forget cornering is approx. 75% driver, 20% tires, and then suspension quality/tuning, lastly engine/drive configuration. So which driver has auto-x trophies and sticky tires?

But in the good ol' fashioned drag the 13B will smoke the little 4-putter.

the 86 mr2 comes with a 4ag motor which is the same motor in the 86 corolla gts. my friend has a ae86 (86corolla gts) n it was runnin mid 18s... the mr2 is known to be an ass happy car so unless the driver realy feels the car n knows how to prevent/control oversteer, u should win wit ease

I beg to differ.. I own an 86 mr2.. and it sticks to the ground.. Its very stable coming into turns and out of turns... Its hard to slide those cars.. and they only weigh 2200-2300 lbs...

I also owned a Mk1 mr2 na, they run a 16.2 stock quarter when tested by spc. However, I would not underestimate this car, it is insane on a launch. I smoked a 1994 maxima, with intake and exhaust up to 100 with my mr2, I also beat a tibouron V6, up to 80

Moving to 2nd Gen specific.

the mr2 no doubt.....

115 hp at 2200 lb with a MR setup , all traction, pulls hard through the gears for the power it has

vs

140 at 2700 lb with a crappy driveline on a FR setup, itll spin a bit, really no acceleration here either

i choose my rex over my 91 Mk2 anyday, and that is my 86 base over my 91 mk2 with full leather and beautiful the rex still pulls better.

Hmm...I still want to buy an MR2 as a second car. They're so fun to drive through the turns (even more than my FC)

You should win.

I beat a Turbo MR2 with my Turbo II stock to stock.

Good luck!

all 4 of those engines and cars are SOOOOO DIFFERENT that you beating an mr2 with your TII doesnt matter

were talking about an AW11 MR2 NA vs an FC 86 Base NA RX7

the turbo SW20 MR2 and an FC s5 turbo are two totally different machines, engine, drivetrain, and rear end, pretty much everything

theres no reason you winning vs the mr2 hsould have any matter in this guys race vs the mki na

Stock to stock would be a good fight...toss a full intake and exhaust on your NA FC (a good power jump) and it's bye bye MR2 ;) People give the 1st gen MR2's a lot of flack but I've always loved them...I actually looked at one before buying the RX-7!! It was black and had brand new paint and a rebuilt motor. I didn't get it bc the motor was rebuilt by the owner and I wasn't confident enough in his work...still the car drove well and looked good. You HAVE to love those millenium falcon lookin seats hehe

Your totaly right mike but I was figuring since a stock TII could beat a stock MR2 Turbo then a stock 86 N/A RX7 vs. a stock 86 N/A MR2 then the outcome would be somewhat similar.

Your totaly right mike but I was figuring since a stock TII could beat a stock MR2 Turbo then a stock 86 N/A RX7 vs. a stock 86 N/A MR2 then the outcome would be somewhat similar.

Unless the MKI is Supercharged you shouldnt have a problem...

Oh and from my experience (and #'s) the FC and MKII MR2 Turbo are a drivers race, they have similar #'s.

stock 6 port n/a FC's are slow on the top end... they don't have the necessary juice to keep up.. their powerband is limited round 6.5k

not hearsay, as i drive my friend's stock s4 n/a most of the time

if you really wanna win, don't redline it.. shift round 6-6.5k.. past that mark.. it's ho-hum.. no fun

sure its ho hum with stock components, let the engine inhale and exhale with some simple mods and itll pull right up into the red with no problem and befor you even realize it you hear that annoying little buzzer.

sure its ho hum with stock components, let the engine inhale and exhale with some simple mods and itll pull right up into the red with no problem and befor you even realize it you hear that annoying little buzzer.

dom c, if your auxillary ports are working properly you will stomp the yodda!

Let's get more people replying to this thread so we can have even more misinformation and incorrect comments! :p:

Seriously though, they are almost dead even.
The 1/4 mile times are within 0.2 and 0-60mph is within 0.1 for both cars... shit, the actually engine condition matters more than that, not to mention driver skill.

Think of it like this, 2 identical cars are racing... who is the better driver?

And to the guy that thinks the RX-7 will win based on the fact alone that his Turbo RX beat a Turbo MR2... so what, that has absolutely no relevance at all here.

How's the first gen MR2 steering compared to the S4 FC?

I've driven Fc's with PS and manual....both ass munch...no feel whatsoever. Detracts from an extremely competent chassis.

So anybody have an anecdote or something?

-grant

I don't have any hard numbers comparing the steering, but I have owned both cars in the past.

The MR2 does not use power steering, which is a good thing because it doesn't need it. Very light, near 50/50 weight distribution. Even parallel parking you do not have to exurt more effort than you would with an average power steering system.
One thing that owners note is that you get good road feedback in the MKI MR2 - be it steering, braking, tire control, etc

All good to know, but not relevant to this drag race.

everyone's comparing old cars here, but seriously...they are almost as old as I am. Instead of compairing their specs circa 1985, why not look at the condition and more inportantly driver skill. It don't matter what you drive if you cant drive worth a shit. Of course people and yelling rx-7, this is afterall the rx-7 forum. If you posted this on a MR2/toyota forum, you'd probabily get the same feedback, only in the MR2's favour.

--Paul

driver skill driver skill driver skill. fu*king duh already! truthfully i prefer nissan skylines but i cant afford one of those. so for me atleast its not a matter of preference or favour. furthermore, there are a lot more 7's out there that are in better condition than mr2's, well atleast in south carolina. there arnt many 3rd gen mr2's here either, they are usualy well taken care of. mr2's; second gen and older are total turds.
there are a few exceptions, but most are TURDS!

I've driven both.

n/a FC seems quicker to me, especially after 100+km/h.

Cornering wise.. I dunno. if the person in the MR2 knows how to drive it, I don't think that a stock FC could stand a chance. They're friggin go-karts.

think of it like THIS, no two cars are identical! its a fact. being a new car salesman, i for one should know. as compared to the numbers in the reviews and tests done by car and driver and all of those other guys, you could have bought two brand new 1986 RX-7 gxl's and i could garentee that one of them will handle better, one will accelerate quicker. same for the mr2

im also sure if these magazine editors had 3 or 4 cars of the same make model and year that numbers between rx-7's and mr2's would be quite different. its all about averaged performance across a board of a few of the same car. all that pertaining to #'s anyway.

which brings us all to the very obvious point that there is allways a better driver. this is what you would call the "duh" statement.

what the young man who started this thread wanted to know was could a 7 beat an mr2 of the same year and asperation. if they are both in good shape i think just between numbers it could be very close. so of course id say whoever got the holeshot would make the kill.

BTW. no offence sponge bob. just wanted to make a point of my own.

-chris;)

You just explained what I said ?!?

of course by identical i don't mean "dead even identical test them 1000 times and get 100% exact results all times" .. come on?

That's why I sumed it up in a simple sentence, since most of the posts made have been irelevant or incorrect so far.

Never driven a MR2 but...

1st and 2nd gear is where our cars shine. through first and second gear I have rolled cars that straight whore me when we got into 3rd. Youll have the jump on him im guessing, our top end is where the power is at, if your buddies car stops pulling up there, theres something wrong with his car.

Turns its all up to your skills, tires and suspension. But I would say in a drag you would win, our gearing is low to make up for our low end torque.


All I can say is serve that little MR2 a nice big helping of rotary power. And tell him youll wait for him when your at the finish line/end of the road

mid engine type cars have the advantage of launching faster than FR cars... Lets just say they are like AWD but they dont break drivetrain parts...

ok heres a little more info. the mr2 has a ghetto rigged cone filter and a fart can. full cats and stock manifold. My rx7 has cone filter and gutted cats to stock Y pipe. 5 and sith ports are working because i have them hooked in through the air pump instead of the cats it works wonderfully. car now seems to pull till well past red line. oh and some minor weight reduction. does that help anybody? just assume that the drivers are the same skills wise. the question i intended to ask when i posted this was which car is faster. thanks for all the posts guys this is great.

oh who gives a ****, are you gonna get a trophy at the end?? tell him to get some plates, and have fun sliding around. Just be smart about it, don't reck your 7 for some stupid pride thing.

Whoever the better driver is will win this...

The 86 n/a mr2 runs an 8.4 0-60 and 16.5 1/4mile stock, whereas the 86 FC runs an 8.5 0-60 and 16.5 1/4mile stock. If both cars are stock and everything is working properly on them, then the better driver will win. If either is modded, then who knows.