Torsen Compatabilty
Ive been all over the web reading about which torsen diff's will fit in different models. (and yes a searched the forum :D ). This is what i found out:
The 7" 94-97 miata torsen will fit in the 84-85 GSL, the fc torsen will fit in the miata. My question is, shouldnt the fc torsen be able to fit in the 84-85 GSL rearend? Also has anyone on this forum actually performed the swap? Everything i've read just says that it should fit. I know this has been asked before, but i cant find an answer. http://members.aol.com/solomiata2/RX7LSD.pdf http://members.aol.com/solomiata/MiataVLSD.html http://www.jimrothe.com/mazda/torsen.html http://www.nellump.net/peri/epi/firs...torsenLSD.html |
Well, it looks like you missed one major issue though in all your research. The FC doesn't *have* a Torsen.
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sorry, what i meant was, a torsen FOR a FC.
i.e. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33731 |
Oh. Well, that one in specific won't fit; you'll note they say it's for the Turbo FCs, which have a larger ring gear and aren't compatible with the FB rear.
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heh, i just relized that. i found another auction for something similar and described a 8" ring gear. Thanks though. Do you know if any of the FC's used a 7" ring gear, like the fb and 94 miata?
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Yup, the NA FCs have the 7" ring gear.
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The non turbo FC, '84-85 FB, and '94-up Miata differentials are interchangeable. ('79-85 RX-7 and '94-up Miata gearsets are interchangeable also)
My question is, why would anyone want a Torsen. :) They're just open diffs that rely on internal friction for their little bit of limited slip action. |
Originally posted by peejay My question is, why would anyone want a Torsen. :) They're just open diffs that rely on internal friction for their little bit of limited slip action. From looking at things, it would seem that they work pretty well; WRC seems to be getting away from them slightly in favor of electronicially biasing diffs, but a hell of a lot of lesser people are using them whenever possible; Quaife ATB being one major notable example. Not saying it's perfect, but they work pretty well from all accounts. |
I LOVE the way the TorSen feels in my Miata. Sure it aint the best for drag racing, but in the twisties, where it really counts, it works great....
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They aren't used in rally because of their main failing: They can only transmit a torque *bias*. Meaning, if one tire is starting to spin and is using, say, 50lb-ft of torque, then the other tire can only transmit the bias of that, if it has a 2:1 bias ratio (typical of Quaife) then it can only transmit 100lb/ft of torque to the wheel with traction.
If one tire has zero traction, it can transmit zero torque, so the other wheel gets a 2:1 ratio of zero torque, which is, umm... zero! It just acts like an open diff. Quaifes may have a lifetime warranty but they do wear out under heavy use. Just picture driving hard over a bumpy road, or getting the inside tire airborne over a curb or a yump in the road. I'd rather have a clutch type diff if I had to have a limited slip diff. A tight clutch pack diff is like a spool - you know how it's gonna react. Except that unlike a spool, you can make tight corners without hurting the driveline. Well, in theory anyway. My LSD is too tight even for low speed parking. It's a riot. |
Originally posted by peejay They aren't used in rally because of their main failing: They can only transmit a torque *bias*. Meaning, if one tire is starting to spin and is using, say, 50lb-ft of torque, then the other tire can only transmit the bias of that, if it has a 2:1 bias ratio (typical of Quaife) then it can only transmit 100lb/ft of torque to the wheel with traction. If one tire has zero traction, it can transmit zero torque, so the other wheel gets a 2:1 ratio of zero torque, which is, umm... zero! It just acts like an open diff. Quaifes may have a lifetime warranty but they do wear out under heavy use. Just picture driving hard over a bumpy road, or getting the inside tire airborne over a curb or a yump in the road. I'd rather have a clutch type diff if I had to have a limited slip diff. A tight clutch pack diff is like a spool - you know how it's gonna react. Except that unlike a spool, you can make tight corners without hurting the driveline. Well, in theory anyway. My LSD is too tight even for low speed parking. It's a riot. |
How much less maintenance than zero can a diff have? :) At least, my low mileage car (only 158,000 miles) has a tight factory LSD and the rearend looks like it was never off or opened.
I see where you're coming from... you're from CA, so you're probably used to glass-smooth roads. :) |
true, the roads here are pretty nice. :)
as far as maintenance goes...I've seen some last as long as yours, but others not even close. A good torsen will never wear out. |
whcih miatas have torsen, and whatre miata rearend ratios over the years?
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Originally posted by Node whcih miatas have torsen, and whatre miata rearend ratios over the years? |
anyone know where If cusco or kaaz make 2way or 1.5 way lsd for the 1st gen
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Originally posted by peejay They aren't used in rally because of their main failing: They can only transmit a torque *bias*. Second, Audi kicked major ass with TorSen diffs in their Quattro Coupés in the 80s. |
Originally posted by Node whcih miatas have torsen, and whatre miata rearend ratios over the years? 5 speed Miatas got a 4.10 final drive, the autos got a 4.30... |
Originally posted by Junia anyone know where If cusco or kaaz make 2way or 1.5 way lsd for the 1st gen |
Originally posted by Junia anyone know where If cusco or kaaz make 2way or 1.5 way lsd for the 1st gen DF, from what i gather, the torsens dont take abuse as well as viscous LSDs. The only one that might take the kinda power your putting down on a regular basis would be the guru unit. There products seem to be built very strong. But like i said. I have no hands on experience with this yet. (funds limited) |
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