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82rx7heaven 05-19-16 03:25 PM

Running but not much power?
 
My 1982 RX7 with a street ported 12a starts and idles fine but hesitates and bogs when I jump on the throttle. It can still move but barely. Wondering where I should start? Not sure if it could be a carb issue. Guess I should do a compression test first.. Thanks for any help!

DivinDriver 05-19-16 07:29 PM

If it truly idles fine odds are against a compression problem. Most likely a carburetion issue, and first suspect is the acceleration pump based on your symptoms.

82rx7heaven 05-19-16 09:00 PM


Originally Posted by DivinDriver (Post 12065634)
If it truly idles fine odds are against a compression problem. Most likely a carburetion issue, and first suspect is the acceleration pump based on your symptoms.

Ya, idles good and over 3000 rpm it is smooth with good response. Acceleration pump?

82rx7heaven 05-20-16 08:13 AM

Should mention I have a 465 cfm Holley carb and a fuel pressure regulator which is set to 6psi. When I hit the throttle with car off I get a real good spray of fuel in the carb. Does that rule out acceleration pump? I don't know much about it. Could it just be the fuel pressure?

wankel=awesome 05-20-16 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by 82rx7heaven (Post 12065779)
Should mention I have a 465 cfm Holley carb and a fuel pressure regulator which is set to 6psi. When I hit the throttle with car off I get a real good spray of fuel in the carb. Does that rule out acceleration pump? I don't know much about it. Could it just be the fuel pressure?

No. It's the carb.

t_g_farrell 05-20-16 11:29 AM

Yep, now that we know that its a holley. It either needs to be tuned or cleaned.

heynoman 05-20-16 12:09 PM

To big of a accelerator pump, or squirter nozzle maybe too aggressive of a AP cam??? Boggs when you give it gas but smooths out past 3k sound like AP is squirting way to much gas in.

82rx7heaven 05-20-16 01:11 PM

I just took it out of storage after 2-3 years. It was tuned perfectly before though. Guess it needs a cleaning. Any advice on doing this. Do I need to remove the carb and take it apart or can it be done still attached?

Also, it kind of sounds like the engine is knocking or something. It seems to randomly get a bit louder and then go away.. Worries me a bit

82rx7heaven 05-20-16 02:35 PM

Took a little video. Hopefully it helps a bit. Thanks for everyone's help. I really want to get this beauty back on the road. (Around 1:30 you can hear the knocking sound pretty good)


82rx7heaven 05-20-16 07:38 PM

Ok so I pulled the T1 spark plug wire while it was running and nothing happened. Pulled L1 and again nothing. Running on one rotor, the rear. Checked for spark, lots. Pulled L1 plug and turned it over, I hear constant swooshes indicating there is even compression but without the compression tester obviously I don't know whether there is enough compression. Any tips!??

wankel=awesome 05-20-16 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by 82rx7heaven (Post 12066013)
Ok so I pulled the T1 spark plug wire while it was running and nothing happened. Pulled L1 and again nothing. Running on one rotor, the rear. Checked for spark, lots. Pulled L1 plug and turned it over, I hear constant swooshes indicating there is even compression but without the compression tester obviously I don't know whether there is enough compression. Any tips!??

Change your plugs.

After that you may want a different carb, too. Those things are garbage. Especially "Holley" branded crap.

Someone will jump in here and defend them and say that it's perfectly reasonable to conduct seasonal rebuilds on holley carbs, and how "great" they are on rotaries, I don't know what I'm talking about, etc.

But your problem is 100% a junk carburetor. The separated intake they are on and uneven float levels they have (rotor 1 to rotor 2, rotor 1 has a lower level than 2) causes one rotor to run at a different AFR than the other. Tends to run r1 a bit lean, actually. It can actually shorten the life of that rotor, and I've seen it many times on engines with long term holley installs.


I think most likely your case is that the front side of the carb fuel circuit on the primary isn't flowing fuel. So it needs rebuilt, blown through with air after a good soaking in lacquer thinner.


You'll be doing it again this fall, and again in the spring. Enjoy.

82rx7heaven 05-20-16 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by wankel=awesome (Post 12066028)
Change your plugs.

After that you may want a different carb, too. Those things are garbage. Especially "Holley" branded crap.

Someone will jump in here and defend them and say that it's perfectly reasonable to conduct seasonal rebuilds on holley carbs, and how "great" they are on rotaries, I don't know what I'm talking about, etc.

But your problem is 100% a junk carburetor. The separated intake they are on and uneven float levels they have (rotor 1 to rotor 2, rotor 1 has a lower level than 2) causes one rotor to run at a different AFR than the other. Tends to run r1 a bit lean, actually. It can actually shorten the life of that rotor, and I've seen it many times on engines with long term holley installs.


I think most likely your case is that the front side of the carb fuel circuit on the primary isn't flowing fuel. So it needs rebuilt, blown through with air after a good soaking in lacquer thinner.


You'll be doing it again this fall, and again in the spring. Enjoy.

Well I already changed the plugs and when I pull them out they're soaking wet.. but that makes sense. So should I buy a rebuild kit or will taking it apart, cleaning and reassembling suffice? New carb unfortunately isn't an option for me at this time.

Jeff20B 05-21-16 09:54 AM

It looks like you have a lot of blowby. I've seen steam come out of those on a cold morning, but I've never seen that much smoke come out of one, especially on an NA, before.

It looks like you have more problems than just a Holley or a bad ignition system, to deal with.

82rx7heaven 05-21-16 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by Jeff20B (Post 12066174)
It looks like you have a lot of blowby. I've seen steam come out of those on a cold morning, but I've never seen that much smoke come out of one, especially on an NA, before.

It looks like you have more problems than just a Holley or a bad ignition system, to deal with.

So what am I dealing with here?

Jeff20B 05-21-16 11:56 AM

It appears you have some blowby, probably caused by sticky side seals due to too much carbon buildup from a holley that runs rich all the time. A quick solution is to try a little bit of marvel mystery oil down the carb, so it trickles into the engine and is allowed to sit with some hand turning of the engine on the 19mm bolt on the main drive pulley every now and then.

There is a procedure to follow, which I'm trying to remember but drawing a blank at the moment. I'm sure others will be along shortly to describe a sticky seal un-stick procedure. They may even prescribe other magic potions as well. I've seen references to sea-foam or was it power foam? on this forum but never used it before.

Stay away from ATF. That stuff can kill your engine.

82rx7heaven 05-21-16 12:16 PM

Ahhhh so it is the side seals... :(

wankel=awesome 05-21-16 06:32 PM

Marvels works great.

It needs time though. 2-3 weeks.

LongDuck 05-21-16 09:37 PM

MMO will work, but does take time, up to several weeks. In this case you're just trying to free up seals so they will unstick and seal a little better, loosening up some carbon and ejecting it with the exhaust, so douse it good, find a mosquito infested area away from neighbors and cops, and run that sucker out. It's going to smoke like a chimney.

The longer you let the MMO sit, the better it will work. Stay far away from ATF down the intake. It will remove the "good" carbon as well as the bad, and some of that carbon helps to seal the old, tired oil control rings. The ATF will result in smoking long after the treatment and increase oil consumption over the long term. On the flipside, it won't matter if your OMP is working or not!

82rx7heaven 05-22-16 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by LongDuck (Post 12066365)
MMO will work, but does take time, up to several weeks. In this case you're just trying to free up seals so they will unstick and seal a little better, loosening up some carbon and ejecting it with the exhaust, so douse it good, find a mosquito infested area away from neighbors and cops, and run that sucker out. It's going to smoke like a chimney.

The longer you let the MMO sit, the better it will work. Stay far away from ATF down the intake. It will remove the "good" carbon as well as the bad, and some of that carbon helps to seal the old, tired oil control rings. The ATF will result in smoking long after the treatment and increase oil consumption over the long term. On the flipside, it won't matter if your OMP is working or not!

K I'm going to grab some MMO and try it out. I tried Seafoam yesterday. As for the OMP, it's blocked off and I premix the gas with 2 stroke oil.

82rx7heaven 05-22-16 03:09 PM

Well I can't find MMO anywhere in my area (Canada). When I get some do I just disconnect the distributor and pour a few ounces down the carb while cranking the car over? Then leave it sit for a day and turn the engine over with a wrench every once in a while? Not sure what the best method is.

LongDuck 05-23-16 08:40 PM

My preferred method with MMO is to remove the upper intake manifold and put about an ounce into each intake runner. This lets it run straight down into the intake ports and spread evenly as you hand turn the engine from the front pulley. Turn the engine one revolution every day or so, and it will move the rotors 1/3 of a revolution each time. Youre trying to give it time to soak in, so don't rush this process.

Know that when ypu get it all together, it's going to smoke like crazy on your startup, so get it out of your neighborhood if they would mind. Change plugs after that, and you'll get about as much benefit as you can.

82rx7heaven 05-23-16 08:44 PM


Originally Posted by LongDuck (Post 12067097)
My preferred method with MMO is to remove the upper intake manifold and put about an ounce into each intake runner. This lets it run straight down into the intake ports and spread evenly as you hand turn the engine from the front pulley. Turn the engine one revolution every day or so, and it will move the rotors 1/3 of a revolution each time. Youre trying to give it time to soak in, so don't rush this process.

Know that when ypu get it all together, it's going to smoke like crazy on your startup, so get it out of your neighborhood if they would mind. Change plugs after that, and you'll get about as much benefit as you can.

K thanks for the help. Wish me luck. Man I hope she can be revived!

Vohaul 05-24-16 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by 82rx7heaven (Post 12066557)
Well I can't find MMO anywhere in my area (Canada). When I get some do I just disconnect the distributor and pour a few ounces down the carb while cranking the car over? Then leave it sit for a day and turn the engine over with a wrench every once in a while? Not sure what the best method is.

Funny enough, it's sold in Walmart.... I picked some up in Calgary a few months ago when I was reviving my long sitting 7

82rx7heaven 05-24-16 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by Vohaul (Post 12067296)
Funny enough, it's sold in Walmart.... I picked some up in Calgary a few months ago when I was reviving my long sitting 7

Yeah I read somewhere online that walmart carried it so I went over there but they didn't have any. Maybe I'll try walmart online

Vohaul 05-24-16 09:31 PM

I remember it being in the seperate tire / lube section... Was a bit hard to find


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