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xenophobe 02-01-04 07:28 PM

probally a dumb question
 
did a carborated 13b ever come stock in a 1st gen rx7?
i did try a search but all i came across was swap info. it didnt answer the question.

82transam 02-01-04 07:44 PM

no, only the GSL SE had a 13b and they were all fuel injected.

KehoeAutomotive 02-01-04 08:08 PM

If you see it in something beside for a GSL-SE it was upgraded to the larger motor!

mazdaverx713b 02-01-04 08:36 PM

the REPU had a stock 4 port carbed 13B

xenophobe 02-02-04 10:47 PM

was there even a carbed 13 then?

other then the REPU... btw what is that?

high-RPM 02-02-04 11:11 PM

i was under the impression that some of the other rx models had 13b carbs in them

i also thought some of the upper spec jap rx7s had 13b engines in them

i dont know where i saw this

i could very well be wrong

RacerX7fb 02-02-04 11:44 PM

The RX-4 Luce, REPU, and RX-5 Cosmo were all carburated with 4-port 13B's.

wwilliam54 02-02-04 11:51 PM


Originally posted by high-RPM
i was under the impression that some of the other rx models had 13b carbs in them

i also thought some of the upper spec jap rx7s had 13b engines in them

i dont know where i saw this

i could very well be wrong

IIRC america was the only one with 13b FB's
japan got 12at's

82transam 02-03-04 01:39 PM

your correct, no JDM SA had a 13b, the best was a 12AT

REPU means Rotary Engine Pick up

xenophobe 02-03-04 09:05 PM


Originally posted by 82transam
your correct, no JDM SA had a 13b, the best was a 12AT

REPU means Rotary Engine Pick up

thanks for the long hand :D

would there be a diffrence in the truck engine and an rx7 engine? (i.e. stronger housings, higher compression)

wwilliam54 02-03-04 10:48 PM


Originally posted by xenophobe
thanks for the long hand :D

would there be a diffrence in the truck engine and an rx7 engine? (i.e. stronger housings, higher compression)

just 4-port carb

cosmicbang 02-06-04 09:11 AM

The sizes of the intake ports are different, and for different years.

xenophobe 02-07-04 10:43 AM


Originally posted by cosmicbang
The sizes of the intake ports are different, and for different years.
ports... thats another thing i dont know much about.. i know there are 4 and 6 port engines and that the port size determines how long it is open and how much air/fuel gets in. but i dont understand the benifits of the diffrent number of ports.

sorry im pretty new to this whole rotary engine thing.

ASE_Joe 02-08-04 09:49 PM

yea, so what gives?

wwilliam54 02-08-04 09:50 PM

6 ports use 2 ports that open at higher rpms for more duration
they close at low rpms so they dont hurt torque

rotary VTEC if you will

fatboy7 02-09-04 01:36 AM

In stock form the 6-port motors make more power than the 4-port ones, and have a more useable powerband. Unfortunately, the 6-port motors are difficult to port, and the benfit of porting is less than the 4-port engines. In short, the 4-ports more power with porting than the 6-ports.

xenophobe 02-09-04 07:01 PM


Originally posted by wwilliam54
6 ports use 2 ports that open at higher rpms for more duration
they close at low rpms so they dont hurt torque

rotary VTEC if you will

do the ports open with vaccum or are they opened mechanicly with rpm?

xenophobe 02-09-04 07:03 PM


Originally posted by fatboy7
In stock form the 6-port motors make more power than the 4-port ones, and have a more useable powerband. Unfortunately, the 6-port motors are difficult to port, and the benfit of porting is less than the 4-port engines. In short, the 4-ports more power with porting than the 6-ports.
so if i wanted to make more power then stock i would be better off finding a 4 port motor?

now the question is were there 6 port 12a's? (so i know to try and avoid them if there are)

wwilliam54 02-09-04 07:28 PM


Originally posted by xenophobe
do the ports open with vaccum or are they opened mechanicly with rpm?
backpressure

1stgen4life 02-09-04 07:48 PM


Originally posted by xenophobe
so if i wanted to make more power then stock i would be better off finding a 4 port motor?

now the question is were there 6 port 12a's? (so i know to try and avoid them if there are)

All 12a engines were four port I believe. If you get a 6 port 13b, you can swap the housings with those from a 12a. That way you can have a four port 13b that is ready to be street ported, or any other kind of porting you want. Correct me everybody if I'm wrong.

wwilliam54 02-09-04 07:48 PM


Originally posted by 1stgen4life
All 12a engines were four port I believe. If you get a 6 port 13b, you can swap the housings with those from a 12a. That way you can have a four port 13b that is ready to be street ported, or any other kind of porting you want. Correct me everybody if I'm wrong.
has to be pre 86 13b houseings

two79rx7's 02-09-04 10:56 PM

So you are saying that a 13 B motor with pre 86 housings (4 port design ) compaired to a 6 port 13B, once each is ported; the 4 port design will make more power and tourque and have a better power band assuming good engine management, intake and exhaust

is not the 13B 60 port designn better to start with? and in the end you will getr more out of it?

wwilliam54 02-09-04 11:01 PM


Originally posted by two79rx7's
So you are saying that a 13 B motor with pre 86 housings (4 port design ) compaired to a 6 port 13B, once each is ported; the 4 port design will make more power and tourque and have a better power band assuming good engine management, intake and exhaust

is not the 13B 60 port designn better to start with? and in the end you will getr more out of it?

no 84 -91 n/a 13b's are all 6 port
turbos are 4 port

the prefered way to make a 4 port is to take 12a plates and 84/85 13b rotor housings

4 ports generally have more top end, but low end suffers

the 6 ports dont go as high, but are more drivable and hvae more low end

two79rx7's 02-09-04 11:15 PM

If I am right first the 84 -85 13 B from the gslse is a 4 port, that was said above too.

what is the advantage of using 12a plates?

the 90 13B 6 port puts out about 165 or so Horse power stock compaired to 135 HP for the 4 port 13B gsl se motor

so you are saying the 4 port once ported well will have a higher peak output power at the top end than a 6 port could ever have once ported well too?

wwilliam54 02-09-04 11:18 PM


Originally posted by two79rx7's
so you are saying the 4 port once ported well will have a higher peak output power at the top end than a 6 port could ever have once ported well too?
something like that

and 12a plates are cheap


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