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ArrX7ahh 05-31-04 11:40 PM

The SR20DE(T) is all aluminum.

The motor is also listed as an economy engine (not fuel efficiency) in nissan's lineup in the year 2000. This was written in an SAE paper.

If you want economy, slap in a diesel. The new TDIs are making over 100whp (rated at 90 crank factory) and close to 200 lbs/ft stock. Far greater when modded. Or the older IDI diesels (1.6L-1.9L) were excellent as well from VW... Hmm 65mpg+ FB ;) that could run seriously good times due to low mass :cool:

peejay 05-31-04 11:45 PM


Originally posted by ArrX7ahh
The SR20DE(T) is all aluminum.

Really? Hmm, why was I thinking they were iron-block?

Usually "beef" engines are iron block for strength. That's what gets me about the Duratec: beefy (they use the blocks in WRC restrictor motors after all)) yet aluminum.

Fuel524 05-31-04 11:45 PM

id go with the 4age cheap and easy to work on and very reliable they make around 100 stock. the motor is revy and woulod fit the fbs charcter.

rotor vs. piston 06-01-04 12:12 PM

I've been doing allot of research to find the best "overall" engine for a four cylinder swap. After the dust settled I came up with a 4g63 of turbo eclipse fame. They can bolt to a dodge rwd truck trans. and they have an adapter to mate it to some toyota trans. so that takes care of the "it's a transverse engine" problem. I can't see this being anymore difficult than the chevy swap with the exception of the mitsu. being fuel injected, but then again I guess because of my age I know more about fuel injection than I do about carbs so it may actually be easier.

ArrX7ahh 06-01-04 02:06 PM

Now you are thinking. 4G63 has routinely made 475 awhp on a totally stock motor. It is a seriously strong iron block, and is not all that heavy. Aftermarket galore as well.

Tell us more about this adapter for a toyota trans. Who makes it, what trans can you use etc.

Tanjo 06-01-04 02:21 PM

Have you thought of I6s? like out of an older Supra? Thatd be cool.

dark mephisto 06-01-04 03:32 PM


Originally posted by peejay
Really? Hmm, why was I thinking they were iron-block?

Usually "beef" engines are iron block for strength. That's what gets me about the Duratec: beefy (they use the blocks in WRC restrictor motors after all)) yet aluminum.

LOL, the sr20 is literally "bullet proof"

80's Boy 06-01-04 04:14 PM


Originally posted by peejay
That's a K-series.

Why bother with an S2000 engine, the Fod Duratec (2.3l, as found in Ranger pickups) can easily make *more* power than a stock S2000, without touching the camshafts or cylinder head...

Nope, The S2000 engine is an F-series. F-20 (00-03) and F22 (04).

And my F22 put down 211 rwhp bone stock...with less than 5k miles on it. Find me a Duratec that does that.

But in all fairness the F series honda motors are really expensive, even used, so I don't think they make very good swap material.

Tanjo 06-01-04 04:22 PM

F22 came in the S2000? really? I was working on a newer accord today that had an F22 in it.

peejay 06-01-04 06:15 PM


Originally posted by 80's Boy
Nope, The S2000 engine is an F-series. F-20 (00-03) and F22 (04).

And my F22 put down 211 rwhp bone stock...with less than 5k miles on it. Find me a Duratec that does that.

My bad on the K/F. (So wait... if it's 2.2l now, why isn't it called an S2200?)

Want a Duratec that does that? Okay... :) I can't link because the site only allows members to view their forum, but here's the text:



I supplied Circle Performance with their basic 2.3 Duratec engines to use for testing and race conversion. The one shown in the photos is their test "mule" for dyno work. Initial tests were conducted using a side-draft manifold and Weber carbs along with 12-1 forged pistons and rods...but no other changes. H.P was in the 245 range on gasoline. Then the engine was fitted with mechanical fuel injection to use methanol alcohol. The circle-track race clubs here in the States prohibit electronic fuel injection and gasoline for use in midget cars. H.P. was around 260 at 5800 rpm and peaked at 275 at 7800 rpm. Probably due to the stock cams and the longer 2.3 stroke. New high-lift billet cams and 14-1 pistons are being fitted to conduct further testing.
Many other people are getting 330+hp out of these engines with cam changes... and no porting.

wwilliam54 06-01-04 06:34 PM

2.3T ford

Eville140 06-01-04 08:00 PM

Here is a copy from my post from a thread just like this a week ago :)
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...5&pagenumber=2

I will have to vote for the 2.3turbo ford. They are built like a brick shit house. Cheap as heck and parts are available at any junkyard to get them running.
Mine has a few things done (all cheap things) and it is putting out around 340 or so at the wheels (working on more) and it will do this for next to ever without wearing out. And can be made to make big numbers pretty cheaply.
I'm not really sure what mine gets as far as mileage goes, most the time I am in it, I am in it lol But when cruising down the hway the engine isn't even trying.

The fit into an rx pretty well, and the ford t5 5-speed hits the shifter hole like is was made for the car.

Over all I love my litte rx, I have little money in it and it is great to see the look on vette/camaro/mustang owners faces when they are trying to figure out what the hell just happened
http://members.sigecom.net/randyh/rx4ti/adr.jpg
http://members.sigecom.net/randyh/rx4ti/eng1.jpg
http://members.sigecom.net/randyh/rx4ti/eng3.jpg

Later
Randy

Tanjo 06-01-04 08:59 PM

Wow. I must say, that even for the blasphmous act of putting a piston in a Rex, that looks pretty slick. And stock. Awsome. What did those engines come in?

Manntis 06-01-04 09:06 PM


Originally posted by peejay
Just fine if you don't mind 5 speeds backwards and one forwards.

Honda engines (up until the K series) rotate backwards. Which is fitting for an ass-backwards car.

All 4 cylinder engines. Honda 6 cylinder engines run the 'proper' way :)

wwilliam54 06-01-04 09:27 PM


Originally posted by Eville140
Here is a copy from my post from a thread just like this a week ago :)
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...5&pagenumber=2

I will have to vote for the 2.3turbo ford. They are built like a brick shit house. Cheap as heck and parts are available at any junkyard to get them running.
Mine has a few things done (all cheap things) and it is putting out around 340 or so at the wheels (working on more) and it will do this for next to ever without wearing out. And can be made to make big numbers pretty cheaply.
I'm not really sure what mine gets as far as mileage goes, most the time I am in it, I am in it lol But when cruising down the hway the engine isn't even trying.

The fit into an rx pretty well, and the ford t5 5-speed hits the shifter hole like is was made for the car.

Over all I love my litte rx, I have little money in it and it is great to see the look on vette/camaro/mustang owners faces when they are trying to figure out what the hell just happened
http://members.sigecom.net/randyh/rx4ti/adr.jpg
http://members.sigecom.net/randyh/rx4ti/eng1.jpg
http://members.sigecom.net/randyh/rx4ti/eng3.jpg

Later
Randy

++ gotta love the only engine i know of that will take 20 psi in junkyard trim

85rotarypower 06-01-04 09:41 PM

Well, I've been thinking of this too. What is the best engine for fuel economy and performance. So far I have only found the 2.3L Ford engine, which I can't get with a turbo around here (rarer than the RX, which was hard enough to find). I don't really like ford too well though. But I've grown up in a family who is totally against fords, except the mustang.

I need some pretty good reliablility, fuel economy, and I'm having a hell of a time getting my exhaust quiet enough. I fear I might spend more money trying to quiet my exhaust down than the engine swap would cost.

I would consider a VW TDI, or even 1.6L IDI engine, just for the pure fact that they can make some pretty good power and awsome torque. It doesn't take much in a diesel to make 100 hp over stock (for the V8's, all it takes is injectors, or some ECU programing). You can get over 50 mpg while making over 150 hp in a diesel. I just don't know if the aftermarket is there for the older VW diesels like there is for the newer Ford, Dodge, and GM ones. I'm sure I could get one to mount to the stock 7 tranny too.

On top of all that, they are built almost industructable. I've seen some with 450,000 KM without a rebuild.

mazda123x5 06-01-04 09:58 PM

If someone made a kit for a 2.3T swap for a good
price I would do it

wwilliam54 06-01-04 10:47 PM


Originally posted by mazda123x5
If someone made a kit for a 2.3T swap for a good
price I would do it

the mounts are almost the same as a 302, which are almost the same place as a 12A or 13B i cant remeber

peejay 06-02-04 12:05 AM


Originally posted by wwilliam54
++ gotta love the only engine i know of that will take 20 psi in junkyard trim
Don't forget the 2.2/2.5 Dodge Turbo.

wwilliam54 06-02-04 01:11 AM


Originally posted by peejay
Don't forget the 2.2/2.5 Dodge Turbo.
almost as good
but they do tend to break more than a 2.3, but not too much

and the whole FWD thing

Frankenrex 06-02-04 08:16 AM


Originally posted by Tanjo
Wow. I must say, that even for the blasphmous act of putting a piston in a Rex, that looks pretty slick. And stock. Awsome. What did those engines come in?
86-88 Ford T-bird Turbo Coupe, Mercury Cougar XR-7, Merkur XR4ti, SVO Mustang.
http://www.turboford.org/index.shtml

There's another bad-a$$ 2.3 Turbo RX-7 at http://www.boostbros.com/

OldSchoolCool 06-02-04 09:01 AM

Although some people say not to use the 4age, i say go for it, my bro had one in his corolla and it is a relatively high revvin(7500 redline) quick little engine. It would work well in a first gen. If you want my advice then i say go for a 4agze, its just a supercharged version put in some of the cars in japan. Well thats my small amount of input, hope it helps.

peejay 06-02-04 06:27 PM


Originally posted by wwilliam54
almost as good
but they do tend to break more than a 2.3, but not too much

and the whole FWD thing

Um, no. They're bulletproof.

The only possible reason they might seem like they're less beefy is while Ford only put the 2.3T in specialty vehicles, Mopar put the 2.2/2.5 in EVERY SINGLE FWD CAR LINE from the Omni to the New Yorker, including the minivans. It was their "upgrade" engine before they had V6s in available quantity.

wwilliam54 06-03-04 01:43 AM


Originally posted by peejay
Um, no. They're bulletproof.

The only possible reason they might seem like they're less beefy is while Ford only put the 2.3T in specialty vehicles, Mopar put the 2.2/2.5 in EVERY SINGLE FWD CAR LINE from the Omni to the New Yorker, including the minivans. It was their "upgrade" engine before they had V6s in available quantity.

im not saying they are bad, but in my experience they are a little weaker than the 2.3

tho both are better than any forein 4-banger with boost IMHO

peejay 06-03-04 07:58 PM


Originally posted by wwilliam54
but in my experience




:rofl:



tho both are better than any forein 4-banger with boost IMHO
3S-GET.

By the way, the Mopar engine is a loose copy of a VW (ex-Audi ex- Mercedes) 4-cylinder engine. The Ford engine is a "big block" version of the "Pinto" 4-cylinder, which is a European (UK or Germany, forget which) engine.



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