LS1/T56 85 GSL-SE - Guess what she weighs?
1985 GSL-SE with 1998 LS1/T56
No A/C No Heat Does have power steering Power Windows, Power Mirrors, Rear wiper, basically full interior except for the rear "cargo" bins 3" aluminum driveshaft Stainless Steel headers with dual 3" steel exhaust (do NOT have the heavy exhaust heat shields under the car, though) 205-50-15 up front 295-50-15's out back Full Glass Full Tank of gas Just got it weighed...what do you think it tipped the scales at?? I will say it's not as light as I hoped, but a good starting point before I try to remove anything. |
I'm guessing about 2700 lbs
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2520lbs
Makes it less than 2700lbs with me and a full tank. Not too bad. |
wow, NICE!!! time to go drifting!!!!! haha
and good luck with traction! haha |
Damn, even lighter than mine.
Nice, Mine was 2750 WITH a Ford 8.8 Rear end, 13BREW, TII Tranny,TII Brakes front and rear, A/C, PS, full GSL-SE body/interior, fire extinguisher, spare tire, half tank of gas and a 6 point (mild steel) cage. (Basically the stuff in my sig) Pics of your ride? |
we want pics!
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Want videos
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Pics and videos wanted.
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Manlaw should apply to pics of the ride in question...
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That weight bodes well for me. I just sold my SP 13B and picked up an LS1/T56. Before my car weighed 2450 with no AC but everything else installed.
Any advice or write up you could do on the wiring? Thanks, Greg |
Wow, thats not too heavy at all. I hope to finish my ls1/t-56 build soon!
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That's really good! My car (basically a GSL-SE now, with FC frontend) weighs around that much.
Now if only they made a cheap 4-cylinder crank and cam for that block, I'd be in business! :) My problem with a V8 is that much torque is too difficult to drive, throttle-modulation wise. 200ft-lb would seem to be the sweet spot in the drivability/gruntiness ratio. And yes, I *do* frequently think of getting a cheap LS1 and removing the entire left bank of cylinders, like the old Pontiac 194. I think Midget guys remove the right bank, or they remove the left bank but stand the engine up. Anyway, it shouldn't be too difficult to do given the block architecture, assuming one didn't want to just block off one side of the water pump and make a sheetmetal cover to keep the bugs out of the cylinders on one side. I've driven a Corvette with a failed wiring harness where one bank's coils were completely dead, and as much as I like "big bang" engine theory, this shook way too much to consider as a performance engine so an even-firing crank and cam would be great to have.... and expensive. (ever PRICE Midget engine parts? Sheesh!) The vibration couldn't have all been from dragging four (uneven) dead cylinders. A 2800cc four cylinder has a lot more mass than the 600cc four cylinders commonly used for motorcycles :) |
still waiting on pics....
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Originally Posted by peejay
(Post 10834477)
Now if only they made a cheap 4-cylinder crank and cam for that block, I'd be in business! :) My problem with a V8 is that much torque is too difficult to drive, throttle-modulation wise. 200ft-lb would seem to be the sweet spot in the drivability/gruntiness ratio.
All of these are very mod friendly too.
***The Honda S-2000 V-Tec is by far one of the best 4 cylinder engines in the world 9000(F20C) rpm redline, 1997cc, 240 Hp...and not turbo charged. (the way you like em). |
Originally Posted by Directfreak
(Post 10834601)
Why don't you just swap in a *Good* 4 Cylinder engine in, and call it a day?
All of these are very mod friendly too.
***The Honda S-2000 V-Tec is by far one of the best 4 cylinder engines in the world 9000(F20C) rpm redline, 1997cc, 240 Hp...and not turbo charged. (the way you like em). Very expensive, few N/A parts available Extremely expensive, no simple RWD transmission option Expensive to find in decent shape, few N/A parts available Truck engine, garbage Expensive, few N/A parts available, RWD conversion doable yet costly Extremely rare nowadays, junk engine anyway, RWD trans option sucks (although I had been considering a Neon engine for a while) Had one, is quite bulky, good luck finding a cheap decent clutch (why I sold it - could buy a car for what a good 2.3t clutch costs) Phenomenally expensive, also very tall engine, has reliability issues I've thought about this just a bit :) Basically there ARE no good RWD-able four cylnders in the US, that fit neatly in an RX-7 engine bay, if you take the constraint that you can't have a turbo so you need something in the 2+l range with a head and camshafts available to have a nice 5000-8000+ powerband. The S2000 engine is close but I've heard too many stories of them siezing pistons when subjected to road course style use... and what I do makes road racing look like drag racing :) Besides, for how much an S2000 engine costs, you could almost buy one of them 300+hp half-a-V8s with no worry... and they're designed for circle track abuse. Well, there is one, and it's not on your list, but they are still quite expensive to buy 'round these parts. Can buy an LS2 for what one of those things runs. But it's a Mazda engine, which is nice. |
I disagree on the SR20DET though... Not that expensive, and they are swapped into
240's (S13/S14/S15 Chassis) cars all the time. It's Japan's favorite Dorifto engine. Lot's of aftermarket support. They are RWD. They even offer a 6 speed. Plus, it makes a nice swap. Did you see the one in the FB? http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...4/IMG_0054.jpg How about the MG? http://www.britishv8.org/MG/KyleBing...-SR20DET-A.jpg And if MONEY is an issue, just keep it Rotary. |
Uh-huh. So you pay $2k or whatever for an SR20DE, how much do camshafts cost? Would like something in the 300-310 degree range so I can run 12-13:1 compression on pump gas. Oh yeah gotta get pistons too. And valvetrain. And hope the bottom end is strong enough for RPM, probably is.
Turbos are fine for trucks, but they have no place in a performance car. Even the best modern turbo engines have horrible throttle response. |
Eh, whenever I want more horsepower I just pull another useless chunk of metal out of my car.
2280 with a full tank and me in it... :) But of course, my car is quick rather than fast. Yours on the other hand..... . |
Very nice! I have no clue what mine weighs. I bet hes getting traction with 295s in the rear lol. Pics..
Manlaw indeed DF lol |
Good numbers :) Hope my FC is within 200lbs of that.
Originally Posted by peejay
(Post 10834901)
Uh-huh. So you pay $2k or whatever for an SR20DE, how much do camshafts cost?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/JDM-94-97-Ni...#ht_1412wt_694 http://www.ebay.com/itm/JDM-S14-N-A-...#ht_7018wt_694 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jdm-S14-Engi...#ht_2310wt_928 FWIW. |
now why would you say you got an ls1/t56 in a first gen and not post pictures ;)
and also the only thing i can say about my car is that its light enough to push uphill on my own |
Originally Posted by snowbreaker
(Post 10836533)
now why would you say you got an ls1/t56 in a first gen and not post pictures ;)
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Originally Posted by peejay
(Post 10834700)
Basically there ARE no good RWD-able four cylnders in the US, that fit neatly in an RX-7 engine bay, if you take the constraint that you can't have a turbo so you need something in the 2+l range with a head and camshafts available to have a nice 5000-8000+ powerband.
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I just weighed my car, and came up with something similar -- 2580 lbs, with all the correction factors to make it the full curb weight. It's about what I expected, so I'm pleased. My car started life as a GSL, but it now has the following mods that would affect weight:
Weight Reduction: - Removed A/C and associated hardware - Composite racing seats - Fiberglass hood - Removed rear storage bins - Removed rear wiper - Stainless exhaust w/o cat or cast manifold - FC aluminum water pump housing - Removed spare Weight Adders: - Larger wheels and tires -- 15 X 7 with 205/50F & 225/50R - Front big brakes -- 12" X 1.25" rotors - Turbo, I/C, and plumbing - Roll bar (rear half of a cage) - FC turbo transmission - Larger radiator (increase more due to added coolant weight than the rad itself) - Water injection system (I have a big 5 gal tank, and the weight is with it full) |
Originally Posted by peejay
(Post 10834700)
Counting down:
Very expensive, few N/A parts available Extremely expensive, no simple RWD transmission option Expensive to find in decent shape, few N/A parts available Truck engine, garbage Expensive, few N/A parts available, RWD conversion doable yet costly Extremely rare nowadays, junk engine anyway, RWD trans option sucks (although I had been considering a Neon engine for a while) Had one, is quite bulky, good luck finding a cheap decent clutch (why I sold it - could buy a car for what a good 2.3t clutch costs) Phenomenally expensive, also very tall engine, has reliability issues I've thought about this just a bit :) Basically there ARE no good RWD-able four cylnders in the US, that fit neatly in an RX-7 engine bay, if you take the constraint that you can't have a turbo so you need something in the 2+l range with a head and camshafts available to have a nice 5000-8000+ powerband. The S2000 engine is close but I've heard too many stories of them siezing pistons when subjected to road course style use... and what I do makes road racing look like drag racing :) Besides, for how much an S2000 engine costs, you could almost buy one of them 300+hp half-a-V8s with no worry... and they're designed for circle track abuse. Well, there is one, and it's not on your list, but they are still quite expensive to buy 'round these parts. Can buy an LS2 for what one of those things runs. But it's a Mazda engine, which is nice. Also show me a 4 cylinder that sounds this good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKKvw...ure=plpp_video |
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