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Basically done ripping wires out. Getting ready for the computer
Well good news, today I had a good 8 hours sit down more working on the wiring and basically got done. All the stuff that were removed ar Audio wires, emmision wires, ac related wires, and cruise control wires, and ofcourse from engine bay and behind dash along with all the unused realays and chips unused.
Total weight of the wires are about 10lb (2 grocery bags full of wires basically) With the weight of all the other stuff a total weight saving of about 35lb. May not sound like much, but its not really about the weight saving as much as it is for how much cleaner everything looks right now. I still need to organize the wiring and get some tubes of sort to get them all in there to look better. Now I have plenty of room on the passenger side for the MegaSquirt (which will be sitting in the location of the stock ECU) and also the computer will be sitting on a cutom braket kinda where the AC condenser unit used to sit (so a bit above the the new ducting that will replace that unit. The computer setup that I'm looking to build will include: MSI Fuzzy 945gm2 Mother board Pentium M 1.6-2 ghz processor 1gb DDR2 Kingston RAM 40/60GB Hitachi Hard Drive Lilliput 7" touchscreen 926/916 models Track ball mouse Mini Keyboard Pico 120W power supply USB FM/AM radio Slim load DVD-/+RW Panasonic (Maybe will add GPS and Satellite radio but thats not needed at this point) Total cost of that would be about 700$. The reason to this "madness" is I figured if i was going to get seperate components it would be way over that and by component I mean things like: 6 Guages (because you can get them to record they would be like Nexus guages) 1200$ right there only A good deck but to make it comparable to a computer it would have to be a DVD deck which would then cost close to 700$ Plus ontop of all that you would still need something to tune the MS so thats another 500$ easily for a laptop So thats about 1800$ Saving and I get the added bonus of it still being a touch screen, plus the ability to upgrade my computer for fractional costs later on. Anyhow will be letting you guys know how things go with that later on. Sam |
That sounds sweet! I am in the process of putting in my MS and i wanted to get rid of those exra wires in the engine bay... Ypu should make a list or something of the wires you removed and what they do.Also are you going turbo now with the MS?
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What's your initial thread entitled so I can figure out your goal. Sounds like an awesome idea, but how involved is determining what wires are needed. I've got my interior stripped out and I've been wondering about the many wires too. I don't think I'm ready to rip them mostly all out based on my lack of knowledge.
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Hey,
Plan for my cars include ITB (Individual Throttle bodies), will be running that for probably around a year or so but even those might not be in till next year and then from there, slap on a plenum and going with a totally custom made Rotrex supercharger. Might even get the 2 speed transmission for it from Antonov |
Originally Posted by dj55b
Hey,
Plan for my cars include ITB (Individual Throttle bodies), will be running that for probably around a year or so but even those might not be in till next year and then from there, slap on a plenum and going with a totally custom made Rotrex supercharger. Might even get the 2 speed transmission for it from Antonov |
The carbed 12As do not need a computer, ECU stands for Emmisions control unit on these models. In the SE's they barely become Engine Control Units by firing the injectors. It becomes a full Engine Control Unit on the 2nd gens with the switch from a dizzy with a cap and rotor to the CAS system.
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Originally Posted by trochoid
In the SE's they barely become Engine Control Units by firing the injectors. It becomes a full Engine Control Unit on the 2nd gens with the switch from a dizzy with a cap and rotor to the CAS system.
At any rate, thanks for clearing up the SE's ECU needs. I didn't realize it's major focus was simply firing injectors. Heck, if there's an ECU to learn on, that's sounds about as simplistic as it will get. |
The box under the driver's seat bin is for cruise control. If you want to use the 2nd gen cas, toss the oem ecu and go MegaSquirt. Not sure what mods to the MS will need to be made, if any, because there is a voltage difference in the AFMs, but that can be swapped to a 2nd gen one with the MS.
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Originally Posted by trochoid
The box under the driver's seat bin is for cruise control.
Originally Posted by trochoid
If you want to use the 2nd gen cas, toss the oem ecu and go MegaSquirt. Not sure what mods to the MS will need to be made, if any, because there is a voltage difference in the AFMs, but that can be swapped to a 2nd gen one with the MS.
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MS is a standalone ecu system that can replace a stock one. The big forum has it's own rotary section.
http://www.msefi.com/ |
dj55b, I'm glad I'm not the only one who is headed down this road... My SE will be turbo charged running the Megasquirt and spark, along with a pc for the additional gauges and other goodies including dvd, mp3, gps, and possible wireless net connection. Keep us updated.
Toxic_d ps what front end are you planning on using and linux or windows as the os of choice? |
What do you mean by what front end will I be using?
As for the OS, I'm thinking just windows XP ... haven't really had any problems with the latest version that i've had. its all free either way if you know what i mean lol. What are you planning to do as for an amp for the car speakers? You can't just run the wire straigh off the computer as it only provide about 6 Watts of power on the line out. Have you purchased anything yet? If so what and how much has it cost you so far. |
I was under the impression you wre planning on using the pc as a replacement for your head unit as well as using it for interaction with the MSEFI system... if so check this link for a listing of a few frontend (i.e. shell like windows explorer) options. It helps to easy interaction between you and the pc while on the road...
http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/front-ends/ No I haven't purchased anything yet, but I am in the planning stages. I will post a list of parts that I have planned on using this evening. The MSEFI system I am expecting to have run about $300 and the car pc between $500 and $1200 depending on how feature rich I choose to go. Toxic_d |
hi,
Yes i will be using it for my audio ... I know that site, haven't read up much about the audio. My main focus was to hook it up first then worry about the software stuff thats the easy part. I'll probably know for sure by next week. Sam |
I've been browsing a couple of those sites as well. Hadn't seen the rotary forum though. Anywho, do you know if they have a "kit" list for the megasquirts or recommended part list for the SE? Glensgarage and a couple of others offered "complete" kits but did not really satisfy my question of completeness. There is a megasquirt thread here (for 12a) which lists a couple of additional parts not typical of the megasquirt kits, but it seems like there would be a complete list for us as we are not reinventing the wheel.
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For more MS info did you look here:
https://www.rx7club.com/engine-management-forum-37/ There are some guys that you can send your stuff too an they would assemble fore a few coins. |
I'm planning on running a pc with the following specs:
Commell LV-671 Mini-ITX P4 mobile 512meg-1gig of ram Compact flash drive for reduced boot time 200-500gig hdd Lilliput touch screen car pc specific power supply custom case Atheros wireless A,B,G wireless GPS Bluetooth keyboard and mouse for input while stopped and bluetooth hub functionality Car amp with optical inputs Possible satillite radio External antenna for cellular and wireless satellite Custom enclosure Toxic_d |
I've done something really similiar on my T2 setup. I'm running a megasquirt - heres the pics of the screen:
http://photos-758.ll.facebook.com/ph...49922_6387.jpg http://photos-758.ll.facebook.com/ph...49918_4816.jpg |
Originally Posted by darkfrost
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I've done something really similiar on my T2 setup. I'm running a megasquirt - heres the pics of the screen:
http://photos-758.ll.facebook.com/ph...49922_6387.jpg http://photos-758.ll.facebook.com/ph...49918_4816.jpg |
Oh no there have been many before us... fortunately they have worked out many issues for us as well. The 7" looks as if it will be a perfect fitfor us according to the dimensions.
Darkfrost, isn't there a msefi managment system that runs under linux as well? I haven't followed closely, but as I recall there was one developed. Toxic_d |
Linux can pretty much work like windows ... if not install both in there ...
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There is a linux version, its called megatunix I believe.
As for specs, You're right, it is a bigger screen- its an 8.4" - $200 US + ship and duties - the screen was WAY too big to mount. I had to remove all the guts and mount it all seperately, as well as shaved the center console with a dremel quite a bit. I have more pics on my home computer- but just moved back to school and haven't gotten my internet hooked up yet. So i'll add those later. Here's one daytime pic when I was test-fitting the screen: http://photos-190.ak.facebook.com/ip...39190_6375.jpg The pc is a used one I picked up off ebay for $120 + ship - not the greatest specs, but everything runs smoothly- and megatune only needs something like 133Mhz and 16mb of ram. its a mini-itx, via epia 800 800Mhz c3 512mb ram 40gb hd dvd-rw For sound, its hooked up to an old alpine 75w amp I also had windows installed on a 4GB CF card for EXTREMELY FAST boot up times, I'm talking 15 seconds from key turn to music playing. But the card got corrupted after a couple weeks. So I'm sticking to the harddrive for now. For software- currently I have: - Megatune (to control the megasquirt and display gauges) - Microsoft Streets and Trips for gps ( hooked up to a usb-gps recieved $30 + ship (ebay special)) - Media Player (for mp3s and I guess videos too) - Virtual DJ (more for just fun, its awesome turning virtual turntables with a touchscreen :D) No plans for wireless internet right now, but I will be adding a wireless usb card so I can transfer music files back and forth to my desktop as needed. Here's a blurry pic of the pc - its now mounted vertically behind the passenger seat right in front of the storage bin. http://photos-758.ll.facebook.com/ph...49925_7164.jpg dj55b, you're more than welcome to come check it out. I *should* have it in waterloo this sunday onwards- pending my first rebuild went okay and nothing else breaks when I start it up this saturday... |
So, when these MP3 players crash WinXP, what happens to the MegaSquirt system while cruising down the highway?
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Originally Posted by Jason Guthrie
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So, when these MP3 players crash WinXP, what happens to the MegaSquirt system while cruising down the highway?
Darkforst: I wil be about a month before I get back on the road to drive my car. But if you're ever in the neighbourgh hood before then ... PM me and we'll try to hook up. |
Originally Posted by dj55b
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The computer hooked up to the Megatune does absolutely nothing ... the megasquirt runs on its self ... the computer is merely just there to monitor/ change settings on the MS itself if it need adjustments. Besides that, you can just hook up the MS with a laptops Parallel port or USb port, and from there tuen and take out the laptop.
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Just a few updates most fo the stuff has been bought now waiting for arrival. So far I bought:
Jetway C7 2Ghz Via Processor and motherboard http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...2309&rd=1&rd=1 Lilliput 629 7" Touchscreen (this seems like it would be the best fit according to their measurements: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...7507&rd=1&rd=1 1Gb Kingston 240pin DDR2 633 RAM http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...5125&rd=1&rd=1 200W PW-200-M power supply (I hope this one actually fits without hitting the heatsink) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...9364&rd=1&rd=1 So basically all that I have left is HD and slot loading DVD RW to get it powered up. I will still need other things like Bluetooth, GPS, creative soundcard amp and stuff to get it fully in the computer but for now this is what i'm going to work with. For the jetway boards, I know that they are fairly new compared to the EPIA boards for example and other few ones, but reading around for about a week they're actually pretty good (just make sure that your boards are made after mid 2006 basically seems to be the consensus due to audio issues and what not. The board doesn't come with loads of accessors as fasr as cabling and htings like that go, but tons of stuff built on there (Minus parrallel port kinda wanted it for Megasquirt, but reading around i guess they also make parrallel port to USB port so should still be good). I'll post up pictures once I get the things. |
What's this PC gonna look like when its built and how's it gonna be powered off and on with the car going off and on a lot?
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The screen will be mounted in the center console to replace the stock radio units (i think the 84-85 interior style is the easiest to work with)
I've attached a couple of pics where exactly. As for power. The power source will be directly from the battery which will be located in the rear passenger bin. The power switch to keep it on and off would be located in the ash tray area. That will be the trickest part I think. I want to Have quite a few switches and ports coming out of there for the cleanest look and to keep thiefs out as much as possible. Some of the ports will include 2/3 USB , Audio in, audio out.This will be done via connectors such as these: http://www.frontx.com/pro/p1082_030.html http://www.frontx.com/pro/p090b2_030.html http://www.frontx.com/pro/p090v1_030.html |
Sam, you're giving me way to many ideas for future upgrades for the wb with the TII swap, and costing me more money, lol. I hope you have this mocked up and a prototype working when I deliver the shell so I can get a perspective on looks, fitment and viability. Please continue with your pioneering work for out 7s. It should make for a very nice blending of old cars with digital age functionality.
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Thanks Scott ... I like to keep things as simple looking as possible, and I think the ash tray makes a perfect hiding spot. Very James bondish lol. I think i've decided on the power switches that I'll be using:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/12V-R...spagenameZWDVW I plan on changing all the interior and exterior lights to LEDS for ultra low power usage to make up for the system. I hate wasting un-needed energy. If the DOT Approced LED head lights become available soon, i will be using those. Might make them even flush headlights with the lower 2 banks of light being for the low and the top 2 for the high. |
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On the LED idea, this is kinda what I have planned for the rear. This should be fairly easy on out car (81-85 style lights), as we have colored plates inside the lends. These will make a perfect candidate spot to drill and glue all the LEDS straight to it. Still not sure how many LEDs are going where but that is the rough plan of it. I might not do the inside circles of the brake lights but we'll see how they come up first. Let me know what you guys think of it.
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So came up with what I think might be the greatest Idea for poeple like us. If you don't have a touch screen, using the hole part where the power window, coin holder in the 84-85 style would be a perfect place I think, to fiberlass all over it to make it flat, the cut a whole the size of a trackball mouse. And use that for mouse.
tell me that wouldn't look good in there now and that it's not a great idea. like this you wouldn't need to find space for the mouse and would look like a BMW thing. Also for the keyboard that I have its a cheapo 20 buck mini type one that I bought before. I think that I will either fiberglass it in the glove box inside part or find something else to do. The cool thing about it is that it has a button on there that will make the whole keyboard glow light blue. Making it easier to read the keys at night time. Let me know what you guys think about these ideas. |
dj glad I could be of some assistance in your project... it appears you have been moving forward quick smoothly with this and you have decided on a front end I see from the other thread you have going.
Toxic_d |
Originally Posted by toxic_d
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dj glad I could be of some assistance in your project... it appears you have been moving forward quick smoothly with this and you have decided on a front end I see from the other thread you have going.
Toxic_d |
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