To all in the 1st gen section who helped me.
 

I want to take this moment to thank everyone who helped me with my SE and making it the best car that I have ever driven. To Jeff20B, man you have been great! Thanks for ALL the help and advice. You made this one of the best experiences that I have ever had with a car. To slashdawg........Thanks! To everyone here on the 1st gen sectoin of this forum, you people are the best!

With that said, I must say it is with sadness I must say farwell to my 13B. No, I am keeping the car, just not the motor. I have decided after much time and restlessness, to drop a V-8 in it. I know, I have read the flames on this subject TO many times, but, I have spent alot of time trying to find a motor for this car. At this time it just isn't in my financial budget to be able to stay with the rotary that I have come to love. I am left with only 1 other choice, and I am NOT letting this car go to the bone yard! It is $$$ cheaper to drop in a V-8 then it is for me to stay with a rotary that is why I have decided to do this. When my $$$ gets straightend back out then I will buy another 7 and drop a 13B in it. In fact I have had my eye on another one for the last year.

Cradle, Peejay, sterling, you guys are the best! I mean that, and thanks for everything.

I am not leaving the forum, unless I get banned for this sacrilidge, but I just wanted to let everyone know what was happening with the car. If there is anyone who needs parts I will be glad to let them go when I tear it down. The rear housing is shot, and the front is probably unusable also, but everything else is fine. I will keep you guys posted.

Thanks again,
Brian

you thank us by dropping a v8 in the car?!?!??!

How do you know shes a witch? SHE LOOKS LIKE ONE!!!!
BURN HER!!!!!

Not sure all of what you have done to your car but depending on what you're after you might be better off getting another 13B in there. While it can be cheap to drop a V8 (ford or chevy) it's all of the little things that add up. Just do another math check before you tear down your 7 thinking it will be cheaped to drop a V8 in it. I have a "spreadsheet" of sorts of my cost if you think that will help. I did buy most everything new and that's what got me. So if you have good salvage yards around you and have the time you will get out cheap.

Are you going with a Ford or Chevy?

You're welcome. I wouldn't be able to help you with any V8 install questions though.

Rotaries are cheaper to deal with and build for power than piston engines. Your V8 conversion will either never get finished, or will cost way more than you had anticipated. I'm not sure where you got your pro-V8 info from, but I don't think it came from the 1st gen section. Even peejay, the piston loving rotary lover, says the only reason he's into rotaries is due to their cheapness (or something like that).

I'd never install a piston engine in a rotary powered car. Heck, I've installed rotaries in previously piston powered cars. I just like the rotary better than a boinger. I'd do a forced induction 13B or even an NA 20B over any V8. Maybe my experience is unique, but I'll have a running 20B for less than the cost of any V8 conversion... probably. I'll add it all up when I'm done.

I agree with rotor vs piston, i was actually looking at doing a chevy swap myself then i realized its a endless money pit, you need a engine, tranny, intake, carb, whole new ignition, different rear end to handle the power, custom driveshaft, need motor and tranny mounts, low profile headers, larger rad, custom oil pan to fit, trust me it all adds up quickly if you want a reliable rxv8. But if your sure you want to do it head over to www.grannysspeedshop.com this site has kits that contain everything you will need.

brianhsval,

i'll meet up with you in the finish line.... someday.....

wise decision you made :bigthumb:

http://www.grannysspeedshop.com/ <-- that's where I got the custom parts I didn't make myself.

Keep in mind that I would do it again, and will as soon as my life settles. I didn't think it was going to add to what it did. But I'm happy with it. Also check out http://www.torquecentral.com/forumdi...?s=&forumid=11 if you haven't already and get a feel for what the fb guys there had to go threw and such.

The money pit is only as big as you make it, that's with ANY car project. Some people (like me) can never be done. The only thing I "need" right now is to get a good paint job on her. But of course I still would like to do "this and that". It could be a DD but where I live I just don't want to, if I was back in rural NC the thing would rarely get a break.

Well, this I will say. I was searching granny's along time ago when I first got the car. Yes, it can be a money pit, but like stated already it is only as deep as you let it get. I already have a doner car with tranny and motor, so that part is out of the way. As far as the radiator goes, the SE original has been used for this, however I was going to upgrade it anyways and will get the one from the doner. The oil pan and driveshaft will come from granny's. I also have a friend that is in on this project who works in a machine shop and is willing to help fab whatever I need. I am not doing this to get some 500 hp out of it, I am just doing a swap so I am keeping the SE rearend and suspension. I

Ya i heard the rear end won't even hold 250 hp for long so plan on replacing it. I was turned off the idea because of the 1600 dollar cost for the deluxe kit... For that kind of money you could make a monster rotary. For the price of the whole piston conversion you could turbocharge a rotary... I dunno i guess it all depends what way you wanna go, personally i enjoy working with the rotary. Around here it seems that you can get a fully rebuilt rotary with low mileage for around 800 dollars. Sure it wont be a straight line monster but your car will be back on the road.

I would imagine a 4port 13B with a good size streetport and a supercharger would be less than a full blown V8 swap, after you add in all the miscellaneous costs.

And you wouldn't have the "150 lb deer on the hood" effect on over-all handling, either....make a great straight line dag racer, though...:cool:

Good luck with the swap. I think the Ford motor is lighter, but a SBC is ALOT cheaper to buildup. I'd go Chevy (also cause I hate Ford). :D

This is what happened because I din't sell you my motor? Oh well good luck.

You'll be back to rotary in no time. ;)

you hate ford even though they bailed mazda out and are probably the only reason mazda didn't file for bankruptcy?? Heck they are the probably the only reason we have the renesis engine to look forward to. :D

You, sir, think to much of yourself. LIke I said I have been reaserching this since I bought the car 2 years ago. However, as far as the motor goes........well, I will say, that was a shady way to try and cunduct a transaction and I will leave it at that.

Uh oh..... Good luck on the car Brian. Make sure and post pics and some vids of the crazy burnouts.

Yeah, because everyone here in the Mid TN area knows how shady Trevor is. :rolleyes:

Get your V8 and move on.

Shady way? You contated me after someone had sent a deposit, I said if he didn't finish the transaction I would contact you... Yeah I hope your "shady" comment was as sarcastic as my "thinking too much of my self post"...

Will the real slim shady please stand up?

AS I said good luck with your pushrod install.

You sir contacted me with the offer of a motor. All this in PM mind you. While trying to agree on a date to pick it up you then inform me that you had a deposit from another person. When you sell something you should have enough respect for the people that you are dealing with to deal with them 1 at a time. I can see that by your response that you are to young to realize this. It wouldn't bother you in the least if 2 people showed up in the same day to purchase something from you. Each thinking that they are there to buy an item. You however are one of those who would be more inclined to sell to the highest bidder after that. Bad horse trading and a bad way to try and conduct a transaction.

You

That is total horse crap... I contact you about a motor that was POSTED ON THE FORUM FOR SALE SECTION, You contacted me several days after I PM'd you, a lot happens in a couple days, I had 17 people contact me about the motor, 3 of you were serious. The first one to make the payment of $150 plus shipping was rs_1101 who now owns the motor. Just because someone says they are interested does not mean they will really show up.. How are you supposed to sell something without entertaining all offers? RS came up with the asked for amount first and he got it.. First come first serve. I don't appreciate your slander, and I may be young (23) and a father of two.... but I am and honest person who has sold to lots of members with NO NEGATIVE feedback. I pride myself on making clean transactions for both sides. Your comments were uncalled for..

trevor

they used mazda as a tax shelter. so its a win-win situation. ;)

No they realy aren't and it is one thing to entertain other offers as long as they ALL know what is going down. I realy couldn't give 2 shits less about it as I have already stated. I would have said nothing if you would have not made your smart ass remark. As is when I did comment I kept it short. As for the PM's you contacted me about a thread I started in the for sale WTB section. I realy wish you would drop this and learn to do buisness differently thats all. I wasn't bustin on you till you took it and ran with it. Leave it alone it has nothing to do with the thread and you were no help to me whatsoever. Learn to walk away.

I am going to leave it alone, my original post on this thread was lighthearted and accepting of your Rx-7 blastfamy. You started it. (i'm telling MOM.) I'll be the bigger man and finish it. I race every other sunday at the nashville superspeedway durring autocross season if you ever want to race your V8 monster against my rotary powered bumble bee.... I'll be there.

Cheers

trevor

I call Bull Sh**T! When something is up for sale and you want it but can not get it for 3 weeks you better give a deposit or the next person that comes around with cash in hand gets it.

As for you idea that your gonna save money buy dropping in a v8 rather than a 13b........... you keep telling your self that it is cheaper. You might agree for now untill crap breaks and it nickle and dimes you to death.
You do know that Kevin Landers can rebuild that motor for 1200. That is much less than a v-8.
BTW - if you put in a v8 you probally should remove the rx7/mazda emblems too.
And if you run into a rotary owner.... don't open your hood if you want to keep him as a friend.
GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Trevor don't worry about that one. I think he is either the same guy in this post or related to him.
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showthread.php?t=390906

He never asked for a deposit or he would have gotten that up front. I really don't give a shit what you think of the project or anything else, but as far as the slanderous shit that you posted, you are way out of line!

I still can't get over people sighting handeling as an issue.

With the propper atention to the suspension (which most of us FB owners upgrade anyway) the v8 7 will still be a great back road friend.

damnm if only I were a Moderator right now...

I like sitting back and watching the feceis fly back and forth,

rotor vs. piston

show me an FB v8 swap that will keep up with my RX on any track. and it will dis-prove your theory.

a Light weight well handling sports car powered by a V8, would be fun,

Just not in an RX-7.

it is a sacriledge thing.

Where is Fort Wankel, lol. No, seriously where are you located and is there a track close to you. I've posted before about wanting to compare a well sorted V8 conversion to a well sorted rotary.

I live in Fort Wayne, Indiana.

A few of us rotary guys kinda acted like a club sorta deal so it has been dubed as "Fort Wankel"

I too would like to try any sort of friendly competition.

Maybe we can find some one with a V8 swap with out crazy mullet exhaust who will come to Rotary Revolution and not pop the hood long enough to get out on the autoX and road-race course...

they have out-lawed the non-rotor RX's at this event, but if you walk softly, know one will ever know.

My exhaust is louder than I would like but not HEY LOOK OVER HERE, loud, but that's on my possible to do list anyway. It's (2)2 1/2 into a single 2 1/2 pipe --cat---stock type muffler for random vehicle (read exhaust shop special). Otherwise she look like any other FB with 16" rims. Hell I might throw the stock -SE's up there. My car is defenatly not over the top but I don't want to drive it that far.

That corporate nonsense has no bearing on my feelings for Ford. They build crappy cars IMO. Chevy is better IMO. I still have my Corvairs too! :D

You tell 'em Carl! LOL, I feel the same of Ford, but that is because I owned 3 that were complete crap.

To those who feel that a V-8 would change the handling of the 7 you should go to grassroots motor sports. They hold a competion every year in Fl. They set a budget.....( forget at the moment but I think it is around 2k), then they race their cars. Road and strip. Naturally the V-8 kicks it in the straight line, but, wait....they also finished top 5 out of 10 on the road course. So I think that would disprove the theory. Oh, and yes they do have FB's with V-8's competing. I'm doing this because because I don't want the car to go to the junk yard, and would rather spend 1200 to keep it than let it go. Will keep you posted on how it handles after the swap, but, Henson Super cars has also done this with the FB and report no drastic change in Handling. We will see.

www.torquecentral.com A lot of guys there that would help.

I say do it! I would of picked a different v8, but what the hell, just do it! I'll be there to help you. I guess we're "Evil" now.

HAHA thats great. My dad still has his 62 corvair. That thing needed to be discontinued when it did. I have almost died a couple times in his. Cool cars though. Neat engine design and always wanted to restore dad's, but he wont let me. What years are yours?

BTW my grandfather has a vair vert and a sedan with an auto. Pretty good shape (damn near mint).

Brianhsval, I say go for it. I personally wouldn't do a v-8 conversion, but hey it's your money and your car and we do live in a free country, so I wish you the best. I think all of this is male, macho, ego driven, who has the fastest car, the best handleing car, best looking car. I think if the truth was know we would all wish for those things being the "real men" that we are. I am 51 years old and still haven't left my first childhood, so that's why I like the RX-7's. If I had an extra $30K I would probably buy a RX-8.
TCS

$2005 challange is the name of the race (this year) it goes up $1 ever year.... I may enter the $2006 challange....we'll see...

I have been looking in to doing the 302 swap for sometime now but really talked myself out of it due to the hidden cost involved. if you really are hell-bent on doing a motor swap to a piston motor look in to doing a ford 2.3l turbo coupe swap.. they can make tremendous amount of hp and you can still keep the weight distribution about the same as having a rotary engine.. me personally, im going to stick rotary you can make the same hp for the same amount of money and not be a rotary sellout.

I don't really think that I am a rotary sell out. As stated earlier, I bought the car as a toy to play with. I knew nothing of a rotary motor when I got it. Hell I couldn't even spell it much less tune it. I learned alot from certain people on this board as well as mazspeed.com. I enjoyed kicking piston ass without pistons! I am not bashing a rotary nor am I leaving the rotary community. I am just trying something different to keep the car. I have found another first gen with a blown 12A in it. I don't know the year but it is an LE model and is not in bad shape. I look to be in it with a ported rotary in the next year. This is just for the here and now.

RRTEC, thats the compition that I was refering to! When I get this job finished feel free to visit Huntsville at one of the autox events and I will be glad to let you drive it and see for yourself IF there is any difference in the handling. I don't plan on upgrading the suspension at first so you will get to feel first hand how it will be and the differences if any.

Huntsville isn't a bad drive from me, i did it in 2 hours a couple weekends ago.. That "LE" you are refering to would be a 1983 Limited Edition, silver with red interior and a red pinstriping down the side.... They are very rare! Only 5,000 made.

Pick that bad boy up.

I don't know if I would feel comfortable driving it but I would ride in the passenger seat! I May comedown this summer, keep me posted and I'll make the trip one sunday morning to autox, maybe my dad will drive the miata down and run too...

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j/k man. Get lucky and things will work out in the end :bigthumb: