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06-25-09, 03:31 PM
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Brake rotor surface finish
People constantly debating the pros and cons of brake surface finish; Plain, Drilled, Slotted, Drilled and Slotted such as this one on RX8 forum.
When we released our BBK about two years ago, the majority of customers preferred and ordered Open Slot design; while I believe a lot of you already had previous experience on those traditional finishes.
We like to hear from those who purchased our open slot rotors as to how they compare to the traditional finishes from their personal experience, whether it's on track or street, on performance, maintenance (durability) and look which should also be helpful to others when a discussion subject like this is involved.
Meantime you may want to review this same subject that was published in our web here:
http://www.racingbrake.com/v/main/two_piece_compare.asp
Thanks
Warren-RB
When we released our BBK about two years ago, the majority of customers preferred and ordered Open Slot design; while I believe a lot of you already had previous experience on those traditional finishes.
We like to hear from those who purchased our open slot rotors as to how they compare to the traditional finishes from their personal experience, whether it's on track or street, on performance, maintenance (durability) and look which should also be helpful to others when a discussion subject like this is involved.
Meantime you may want to review this same subject that was published in our web here:
http://www.racingbrake.com/v/main/two_piece_compare.asp
Thanks
Warren-RB
11-11-09, 10:36 AM
#1480
Review of ET800 pads
I recently bought a set of Racing Brake ET800 pads for an event I was doing at Laguna Seca. I usually run Hawk HT10 pads but wanted to experiment with a less aggressive pad at a slower track like Laguna.
I got them from Auto RND here on the forum (excellent service). I think they are on sale right now.
https://www.rx7club.com/a-138/
I installed them the night before and drove to the track with them. On the street at low speeds, the pads are very similar to the ET500 pads that I have been running. I almost forgot that I had installed new pads that is how streetable these pads are. I do get an occasional squeak at real slow speeds when I pull into the garage but its not particularly loud or annoying.
On track the ET800s were quite good. I was expecting to fade them given how streetable they were but they held in there. They are nowhere near as aggressive as the Hawk HT10 which was what I was looking for. They have similar torque characteristics as the ET500 so pedal feel is similar but they have higher heat tolerance.
Dusting on the street is about the same as the ET500s. The dust washed right off after the track event. This is definitely a good street pad for someone looking for something more aggressive than the ET500s. I'd definitely get the 700s or 800s instead of the 500s given my experience. For track use, they are definitely nice - you can drive them on the street and don't have to switch pads. Not as aggressive as something like the HT10 but you don't always need such an aggressive pad.
On track, if you are a top level driver already looking for the last tenth, these pads probably won't live up to your expectations. If you are an intermediate or beginner track driver, these are a great pad to learn on and drive on till you exceed their limits - and you don't have to change them at the track.
I got them from Auto RND here on the forum (excellent service). I think they are on sale right now.
https://www.rx7club.com/a-138/
I installed them the night before and drove to the track with them. On the street at low speeds, the pads are very similar to the ET500 pads that I have been running. I almost forgot that I had installed new pads that is how streetable these pads are. I do get an occasional squeak at real slow speeds when I pull into the garage but its not particularly loud or annoying.
On track the ET800s were quite good. I was expecting to fade them given how streetable they were but they held in there. They are nowhere near as aggressive as the Hawk HT10 which was what I was looking for. They have similar torque characteristics as the ET500 so pedal feel is similar but they have higher heat tolerance.
Dusting on the street is about the same as the ET500s. The dust washed right off after the track event. This is definitely a good street pad for someone looking for something more aggressive than the ET500s. I'd definitely get the 700s or 800s instead of the 500s given my experience. For track use, they are definitely nice - you can drive them on the street and don't have to switch pads. Not as aggressive as something like the HT10 but you don't always need such an aggressive pad.
On track, if you are a top level driver already looking for the last tenth, these pads probably won't live up to your expectations. If you are an intermediate or beginner track driver, these are a great pad to learn on and drive on till you exceed their limits - and you don't have to change them at the track.
11-11-09, 10:39 AM
#1481
People constantly debating the pros and cons of brake surface finish; Plain, Drilled, Slotted, Drilled and Slotted such as this one on RX8 forum.
When we released our BBK about two years ago, the majority of customers preferred and ordered Open Slot design; while I believe a lot of you already had previous experience on those traditional finishes.
We like to hear from those who purchased our open slot rotors as to how they compare to the traditional finishes from their personal experience, whether it's on track or street, on performance, maintenance (durability) and look which should also be helpful to others when a discussion subject like this is involved.
Meantime you may want to review this same subject that was published in our web here:
http://www.racingbrake.com/v/main/two_piece_compare.asp
Thanks
Warren-RB
When we released our BBK about two years ago, the majority of customers preferred and ordered Open Slot design; while I believe a lot of you already had previous experience on those traditional finishes.
We like to hear from those who purchased our open slot rotors as to how they compare to the traditional finishes from their personal experience, whether it's on track or street, on performance, maintenance (durability) and look which should also be helpful to others when a discussion subject like this is involved.
Meantime you may want to review this same subject that was published in our web here:
http://www.racingbrake.com/v/main/two_piece_compare.asp
Thanks
Warren-RB
I'm running the open slot rotors. I really like them. Other slotted only rotors I've used in the past often had the slots filled with brake pad material. The open slot rotors don't get full of brake material. The rotors still look like they are in excellent condition after a 10 track days and some autox and 7k miles of street driving.
11-11-09, 11:02 AM
#1482
So far I have been impressed with my RB open slotted setup. Currently running DTC70 pads front and back and have had only one occurance of initial fade at my local break heavy track ORP. Amazingly that fade was very minimal and after one cool down lap the brake came back strong.
For video reference click links
http://vimeo.com/5326199
http://vimeo.com/5824474
For video reference click links
http://vimeo.com/5326199
http://vimeo.com/5824474
11-11-09, 11:31 AM
#1483
Pictures of the brakes after the ORP track day.
Both Front and rear rotors got up to or past 1200F, all the thermal paint was burnt off at least. And the calipers got up to or past 260F in the front and up to210F in the rear.
Thermal Paint used - http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/pro....asp?RecID=862
Both Front and rear rotors got up to or past 1200F, all the thermal paint was burnt off at least. And the calipers got up to or past 260F in the front and up to210F in the rear.
Thermal Paint used - http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/pro....asp?RecID=862
11-12-09, 04:42 PM
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I recently bought a set of Racing Brake ET800 pads for an event I was doing at Laguna Seca. I usually run Hawk HT10 pads but wanted to experiment with a less aggressive pad at a slower track like Laguna.
I got them from Auto RND here on the forum (excellent service). I think they are on sale right now.
https://www.rx7club.com/forumdisplay.php?f=138
I installed them the night before and drove to the track with them. On the street at low speeds, the pads are very similar to the ET500 pads that I have been running. I almost forgot that I had installed new pads that is how streetable these pads are. I do get an occasional squeak at real slow speeds when I pull into the garage but its not particularly loud or annoying.
On track the ET800s were quite good. I was expecting to fade them given how streetable they were but they held in there. They are nowhere near as aggressive as the Hawk HT10 which was what I was looking for. They have similar torque characteristics as the ET500 so pedal feel is similar but they have higher heat tolerance.
Dusting on the street is about the same as the ET500s. The dust washed right off after the track event. This is definitely a good street pad for someone looking for something more aggressive than the ET500s. I'd definitely get the 700s or 800s instead of the 500s given my experience. For track use, they are definitely nice - you can drive them on the street and don't have to switch pads. Not as aggressive as something like the HT10 but you don't always need such an aggressive pad.
On track, if you are a top level driver already looking for the last tenth, these pads probably won't live up to your expectations. If you are an intermediate or beginner track driver, these are a great pad to learn on and drive on till you exceed their limits - and you don't have to change them at the track.
I got them from Auto RND here on the forum (excellent service). I think they are on sale right now.
https://www.rx7club.com/forumdisplay.php?f=138
I installed them the night before and drove to the track with them. On the street at low speeds, the pads are very similar to the ET500 pads that I have been running. I almost forgot that I had installed new pads that is how streetable these pads are. I do get an occasional squeak at real slow speeds when I pull into the garage but its not particularly loud or annoying.
On track the ET800s were quite good. I was expecting to fade them given how streetable they were but they held in there. They are nowhere near as aggressive as the Hawk HT10 which was what I was looking for. They have similar torque characteristics as the ET500 so pedal feel is similar but they have higher heat tolerance.
Dusting on the street is about the same as the ET500s. The dust washed right off after the track event. This is definitely a good street pad for someone looking for something more aggressive than the ET500s. I'd definitely get the 700s or 800s instead of the 500s given my experience. For track use, they are definitely nice - you can drive them on the street and don't have to switch pads. Not as aggressive as something like the HT10 but you don't always need such an aggressive pad.
On track, if you are a top level driver already looking for the last tenth, these pads probably won't live up to your expectations. If you are an intermediate or beginner track driver, these are a great pad to learn on and drive on till you exceed their limits - and you don't have to change them at the track.
Our ET series pads were well tested in EVO community and here is a typical one:
http://forums.racingbrake.com/showthread.php?t=423
Other than performance here are some additional features of RB’s ET pads:
Budget Friendly – Easy to afford
Rotor Friendly – Save overall maintenance cost
Easy to choose – Our compound numbers represents the type of driving you need.
No or Low Squeaks & Dust.
11-12-09, 05:33 PM
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So far I have been impressed with my RB open slotted setup. Currently running DTC70 pads front and back and have had only one occurance of initial fade at my local break heavy track ORP. Amazingly that fade was very minimal and after one cool down lap the brake came back strong.
For video reference click links
http://vimeo.com/5326199
http://vimeo.com/5824474
For video reference click links
http://vimeo.com/5326199
http://vimeo.com/5824474
I am glad your like our open slot rotors, and from those pitures you posted we all know how you tortured and got good use of them.
Clarify for me that these are still the original rotors shipped with the BBK in 2007, and guess how can RB stay in business w/o the chance of selling spare rotors like others.
I appreciate your witness and hope we can get more brake business (stock replacement or brake kits) through your testimonial and that would really help us out.
Best regards and continue good luck with your track events.
Warren - RB
11-20-09, 03:22 PM
#1489
I recently bought a set of Racing Brake ET800 pads for an event I was doing at Laguna Seca. I usually run Hawk HT10 pads but wanted to experiment with a less aggressive pad at a slower track like Laguna.
I got them from Auto RND here on the forum (excellent service). I think they are on sale right now.
https://www.rx7club.com/forumdisplay.php?f=138
I installed them the night before and drove to the track with them. On the street at low speeds, the pads are very similar to the ET500 pads that I have been running. I almost forgot that I had installed new pads that is how streetable these pads are. I do get an occasional squeak at real slow speeds when I pull into the garage but its not particularly loud or annoying.
On track the ET800s were quite good. I was expecting to fade them given how streetable they were but they held in there. They are nowhere near as aggressive as the Hawk HT10 which was what I was looking for. They have similar torque characteristics as the ET500 so pedal feel is similar but they have higher heat tolerance.
Dusting on the street is about the same as the ET500s. The dust washed right off after the track event. This is definitely a good street pad for someone looking for something more aggressive than the ET500s. I'd definitely get the 700s or 800s instead of the 500s given my experience. For track use, they are definitely nice - you can drive them on the street and don't have to switch pads. Not as aggressive as something like the HT10 but you don't always need such an aggressive pad.
On track, if you are a top level driver already looking for the last tenth, these pads probably won't live up to your expectations. If you are an intermediate or beginner track driver, these are a great pad to learn on and drive on till you exceed their limits - and you don't have to change them at the track.
I got them from Auto RND here on the forum (excellent service). I think they are on sale right now.
https://www.rx7club.com/forumdisplay.php?f=138
I installed them the night before and drove to the track with them. On the street at low speeds, the pads are very similar to the ET500 pads that I have been running. I almost forgot that I had installed new pads that is how streetable these pads are. I do get an occasional squeak at real slow speeds when I pull into the garage but its not particularly loud or annoying.
On track the ET800s were quite good. I was expecting to fade them given how streetable they were but they held in there. They are nowhere near as aggressive as the Hawk HT10 which was what I was looking for. They have similar torque characteristics as the ET500 so pedal feel is similar but they have higher heat tolerance.
Dusting on the street is about the same as the ET500s. The dust washed right off after the track event. This is definitely a good street pad for someone looking for something more aggressive than the ET500s. I'd definitely get the 700s or 800s instead of the 500s given my experience. For track use, they are definitely nice - you can drive them on the street and don't have to switch pads. Not as aggressive as something like the HT10 but you don't always need such an aggressive pad.
On track, if you are a top level driver already looking for the last tenth, these pads probably won't live up to your expectations. If you are an intermediate or beginner track driver, these are a great pad to learn on and drive on till you exceed their limits - and you don't have to change them at the track.
Wanted to update my comments now that I have more street miles on the ET800 pads. Also, ambient temps have recently dropped to the high 50s.
They do squeak on slow speed stopping - such as pulling into your driveway or under light braking at a stop light in stop/go traffic. They don't squeak if you are on them moderately - like when stopping for a light w/o automatic drivers riding the brake for 1/2 mile until they reach the light.
You do feel the increased torque of the brake pads on moderate, extended braking or on hard braking from speed. They definitely bite harder than the ET500s which feels good.
Overall pedal feel is indeed similar to 500s. Not sure I'd want to daily drive these regularly as the squeaking would probably bother me eventually. I suspect that if I had used some disc brake quiet on the back of the pads, they might not squeak. I might try that one of these days.Brake pads make great Xmas gifts for track drivers.
11-23-09, 12:36 PM
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Adam,
I am glad your like our open slot rotors, and from those pitures you posted we all know how you tortured and got good use of them.
Clarify for me that these are still the original rotors shipped with the BBK in 2007, and guess how can RB stay in business w/o the chance of selling spare rotors like others.
I appreciate your witness and hope we can get more brake business (stock replacement or brake kits) through your testimonial and that would really help us out.
Best regards and continue good luck with your track events.
Warren - RB
I am glad your like our open slot rotors, and from those pitures you posted we all know how you tortured and got good use of them.
Clarify for me that these are still the original rotors shipped with the BBK in 2007, and guess how can RB stay in business w/o the chance of selling spare rotors like others.
I appreciate your witness and hope we can get more brake business (stock replacement or brake kits) through your testimonial and that would really help us out.
Best regards and continue good luck with your track events.
Warren - RB
Well, if all goes as planned it should be a winning combination during next year's Redline Time Attack season. Will be building a dedicated time attack/race car during this winter.
05-31-10, 01:00 PM
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i have always lusted for Damian's adjustable brake bias system. if you are tracking your car and actually want to go fast, or go fast stopping you do not want this to be a part of your car...
this is what you want.
i had resolved myself to just making one but bumped into a for sale thread from Damian a month ago offering it up. he is going full tilt. er, full Tilton w his car. i just want to be able to adjust my RacingBrake brake bias from the cockpit...
with this
after you get a good 4 wheel brake system in your FD you really really need to be able to adjust the bias which changes w fuel load etc.
i am close to getting my T56 bolted in, finally have all the stuff. once up and running i am going to do a 4 turbo dyno session and then it will be off to BlackHawk Farms to dial it all in.
2 different sets of Track Pros (Comp and Stage 3) along w assorted springs including some trick 7.5s for the rear.
i am very excited about finally getting to wring out my RacingBrakes. from what i have seen they still look like the hot ticket.
howard
this is what you want.
i had resolved myself to just making one but bumped into a for sale thread from Damian a month ago offering it up. he is going full tilt. er, full Tilton w his car. i just want to be able to adjust my RacingBrake brake bias from the cockpit...
with this
after you get a good 4 wheel brake system in your FD you really really need to be able to adjust the bias which changes w fuel load etc.
i am close to getting my T56 bolted in, finally have all the stuff. once up and running i am going to do a 4 turbo dyno session and then it will be off to BlackHawk Farms to dial it all in.
2 different sets of Track Pros (Comp and Stage 3) along w assorted springs including some trick 7.5s for the rear.
i am very excited about finally getting to wring out my RacingBrakes. from what i have seen they still look like the hot ticket.
howard
Last edited by Howard Coleman; 05-31-10 at 01:02 PM.
06-02-10, 12:15 AM
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Howard,
Can you take more pictures of the manual brake setup? I'm planning on making one but want a better idea of the how to go about it.
Thanks
Ryan
edit: Also, how will this setup deal with the pedal ratio issue?
Can you take more pictures of the manual brake setup? I'm planning on making one but want a better idea of the how to go about it.
Thanks
Ryan
edit: Also, how will this setup deal with the pedal ratio issue?
06-03-10, 06:34 AM
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if the brake bias setup works as well as i think it should i will probably have someone produce just the frame/pivot assembly and sell it for a modest markup as it should be on most track cars and many dual purpose (like mine) FDs.
the setup does have a leverage factor to partially make up for the loss of the "power brake" diapragm.
we shall see. i think it will work o k from a force multiplier aspect.
oh, after i get it cleaned up i will take a bunch of pics for you.
hc
the setup does have a leverage factor to partially make up for the loss of the "power brake" diapragm.
we shall see. i think it will work o k from a force multiplier aspect.
oh, after i get it cleaned up i will take a bunch of pics for you.
hc
06-07-10, 06:12 PM
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For those curious about the manual brake setup, here is a thread from damian on his setup on his race car
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showthread.php?t=723283
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showthread.php?t=723283
08-30-10, 01:08 AM
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08-30-10, 08:13 AM
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can you believe it is almost Sep and my car hasn't turned a wheel?
my to do list is getting pretty small so shortly....
if the adjustable brake bias system works to my satisfaction i will remove it from my car in Nov totally disassemble it and re-engineer it where (if) necessary and offer it as one of the few items i sell at CPR.
Damian indicated he was having a little variance in the bias and suggested that it might be firewall flex.
actually, after a cursory look i have a feeling it was due to a small amount of slop between the C clip(s) that situate the primary pivot. that would do it.
stay tuned if interested.
due to my behind-ness my 200 mph run at the Texas Mile sceduled for Oct 23 will be rescheduled for April 2011.
the two items on my list for 2010 are the 4 turbo dyno comparison (see thread Single Turbo Section: Separating fiction from reality... a few days on the dyno) and a trip to Blackhawk to evalute my RacingBrake package and adj brake bias as well as my two sets of Pettit TrakPro coil overs.
howard
my to do list is getting pretty small so shortly....
if the adjustable brake bias system works to my satisfaction i will remove it from my car in Nov totally disassemble it and re-engineer it where (if) necessary and offer it as one of the few items i sell at CPR.
Damian indicated he was having a little variance in the bias and suggested that it might be firewall flex.
actually, after a cursory look i have a feeling it was due to a small amount of slop between the C clip(s) that situate the primary pivot. that would do it.
stay tuned if interested.
due to my behind-ness my 200 mph run at the Texas Mile sceduled for Oct 23 will be rescheduled for April 2011.
the two items on my list for 2010 are the 4 turbo dyno comparison (see thread Single Turbo Section: Separating fiction from reality... a few days on the dyno) and a trip to Blackhawk to evalute my RacingBrake package and adj brake bias as well as my two sets of Pettit TrakPro coil overs.
howard
12-17-10, 01:16 PM
#1500
Forgive me for not having the time to read a 60 page thread to find this answer....
So did Racing Brake produce a direct replacement rear 2-piece rotor upgrade for an RS/RZ car?
Currently i have the Corksport rear brake upgrade on my FC and since the rotors are RS/RZ rear rotors i was looking to upgrade from the stock mazda rotor...
So did Racing Brake produce a direct replacement rear 2-piece rotor upgrade for an RS/RZ car?
Currently i have the Corksport rear brake upgrade on my FC and since the rotors are RS/RZ rear rotors i was looking to upgrade from the stock mazda rotor...