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Old 05-23-08, 08:48 PM   #1
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Gunfight At The O K Corral

nephew Aaron and uncle howard returned from Fresno, Ca thursday after a 2 day straight thru drive.

the trip and purchase sets up one of the most interesting challenges in the storied history of the rotary engine.

it will be High Noon at the O K Corral. make that Blackhawk Farms 1.8 mile roadcourse.

Aaron's FD is one of the best built LS2 in the country. here's the for sale link from our forum w pics:

http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=756569

we will be installing a complete set of RacingBrakes this next weekend, adding a set of Enkei NTO3+M 18 X 9.5 & 10.5 wheels like mine and Sumitomo HTR Z IIIs, 255 and 295s. we will swap out the Megan coil overs for a set of Teins as on my car. Aaron's car has a tripoint front bar as my car does.

we will then have two FDs w exactly similar suspensions.

one w a torquey Pontiac GTO LS2 w some mods and dynotuning by Luke Stubbs at Beyond Redline in Green Bay.

and we will have my FD w a full tilt 2 rotor using two Garrett TO4s capable of making as much power as a GT42, running pump and a new gen FJO fuel injector methanol system. dynotuned by Luke at Beyond Redline.

which will win at Blackhawk Farms 1.8 mile road course?

locked and loaded and coming to the board this summer.

howard coleman

mods pls leave this in the 3rd gen section as it is a study re the FD and i expect to win anyway.
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Old 05-23-08, 08:56 PM   #2
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This should be interesting... subscribed.
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Old 05-23-08, 09:21 PM   #3
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Interesting indeed.....that's a lot of scratch for a stock-bodied montego blue car
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Old 05-24-08, 12:12 AM   #4
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sweet! i will definately be awaiting this outcome.
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Old 05-24-08, 12:18 AM   #5
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my money is, sadly, on the ls2... I can't wait to see there results!
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Old 05-24-08, 12:23 AM   #6
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Experience??

My question is: How much track time does Aaron have? Hard to compensate for experience, and I know Howard is seasoned...

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Old 05-24-08, 01:37 AM   #7
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Yes! I'll be watching this one Howard, good luck. My money is on the Rotary, but amped about what the outcome will be.
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Old 05-24-08, 02:03 AM   #8
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Old 05-24-08, 07:25 AM   #9
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The gto does not have the Garfinkle ETB so it should not win .
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Old 05-24-08, 07:44 AM   #10
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mods pls leave this in the 3rd gen section as it is a study re the FD and i expect to win anyway.
As long as you win.
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Old 05-24-08, 08:46 AM   #11
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heh this will be interesting... get video of this!
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Old 05-24-08, 08:49 AM   #12
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i will drive and setup both cars.

Aaron will also drive and his comments will provide additional perspective.

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Old 05-24-08, 08:54 AM   #13
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Have fun Howard. Subscribed.

Hey wait....will you be using synthetic or mineral oil? And what kind of BOV?
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Old 05-24-08, 08:09 PM   #15
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The better driver will win............... as usual
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I'm definitely keeping my eye on this one. I can't wait to see a v8 FD on track.

This is simple math.

Which car is making more power? If the cars are setup properly for track use then that's all we need to know. No need to even drive them lol.

However if the power is about equal I'm betting on the rotary if it's a fairly fast course or the v8 if it's full of low speed corners.
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Old 05-24-08, 08:18 PM   #17
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The better driver will win............... as usual
No doubt but in this case FORTUNATELY the same driver will be testing both cars.
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Old 05-24-08, 08:30 PM   #18
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They're the bastard children of the car world. Mullet engineering.

Looking forward to seeing the outcome.

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in-car video! We need to see this! at least I do...
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I'm all for the 13B...will it be running a quick spooling turbo? Torque would be the only advantage for the v8, I would think.
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I'm going with the LS2 car -to finish first, first you have to finish.

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I have the feeling that the LS2's torque advantage will suit the course's numerous "point and shoot" turns. Blackhawk is a pretty tight circuit with not too much flow to it.
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As for the shootout cant wait to see the outcome no matter who wins.
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Good point and I'll be ducking and running too lol
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Old 05-26-08, 10:26 AM   #25
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just a quick comment to assure interested parties that this thread will NOT degenerate into a food fight between people who wish to discuss whether other engines are appropriate. if you do wish to discuss this feel free to start another thread, maybe in the lounge section. posts as to how you feel about alt engined FDs have and will be deleted.

this thread is about having fun w the FD and prepping it as a true DUAL PURPOSE machine. friendly on the street and a real chainsaw ontrack. it fits well w my thread in the suspension section on setup. you can have it all if you know when to say when on various items. it is way too easy to end up w a racecar on the street. not fun.

this thread will be about setup and at-track adjustmenting to max out performance. the LS2FD machine will provide an interesting target. most interesting will be the fact that both cars will run exactly similar suspensions, wheels, tires, etc.

there will be lots to cover before we get ontrack. this week we will be installing a complete set of RacingBrakes and hitting the dyno w Aaron's LS2 car. once we have his power established we will dyno my car and decide just what kind of boost/power level we have available.

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