LT1-10AE

Please take a minute to forward this to any and all MRCCFL members that you have their email address. I cannot as I am being blacklisted for contesting Ian Savage for the presidency. Please. It only takes a minute and the members need to know what's going on (or not going on as the case may be)

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Let me first start off by saying that I know some of you do not like my views and some do. I am posting this on several messageboards and e-mailing to all MRCCFL members whom I have their e-mail address. I am only doing this for one reason: Ian is doing everything in his power to see to it that my opinion is not heard by the members of MRCCFL. As a paying Charter Member, I should not have to be put through this. Now, please give me a couple of minutes of your time so I can explain why I am doing this.

I am running for President of MRCCFL. Ian does not want to give up his position.

There has been silence on the list recently regarding the elections. I decided to get a general idea of how the MRCCFL population wanted to vote with an unoffical preliminary poll through Yahoogroups. The poll was simple and uncontroversial:

Who would you have voted for in the bid for Presdency of MRCCFL? (I don't remember the exact text as it's been deleted)
X - Ian Savage (Incumbent)
X - Brian Smith (Challenger)

Since that poll was posted, I have not been able to get a post to go through to the main list. I am being censored on everything I say. There was nothing derogatory about the club, Ian or anyone in the poll or the messages I sent (one was a link to the poll.)

I could understand messages being delayed due to moderation, but the deletion of the polls, files, and photos section combined with the fact that I cannot make a post, but other messages get through (after mine) leads me to believe I am being censored 100%.

So, Ian, this is how you treat a Charter Member who is running against you for the office of the Presidency. Why? I have a right to express my opinion and get input from others.

This censorship and blacklisting can go on for no longer. I will not stand for it and I'm sure the rest of the membership will agree with me 100% on that. It could very easily be one of them.

Thank you for taking the time to read this. Please e-mail Ian (publicist@prodigy.net) and let him know your concerns.

Brian Smith

rajeevx7

iTrader: (11)

I have read alot of things against Ian and his behavior. But, I am not a bandwagon type and would love to hear some people from his camp discuss the issue. I have only read items that his girlfriend has posted so far.

Raj

CantGoStraight

That would be his camp. I would venture to say that anyone for Ian has now worked directly with Ian (save for anything that Ian personelly wants) There is no club officers except (Ian & his girlfriend) and if your not a paying member then you have no say so and if your a paying member (you have no say so) The only reason I wanted to be a paying member was to be part of this club. Currently it's like belonging to the IRS club. Everyone is entitled to there own opinion, based on what ever facts they have. Jack

turboren

If this turns into a flame war, it will be deleted.

Your friendly neigbborhood mod.

christi

No flame wars, just the honest truth......

christi

Not to mention, getting "moderated" on the email list for wanting to show the list the TRUE Ian... of what he told me off the officers list before I got booted.

I dont have any rx-7s anymore, so he said I guess it'd be my last time as a officer, however that would suck. I don't see why he mentions that now, when a year ago when he was MIA, I didnt have a Rx-7 for a few months before I got my convertible.

Like Brian and a few others, I can not post on the main list, without it going through to Ian first. My posts take 2 sometimes 3 days before they can get through, or even at all.

However, I don't think it bothers me much anymore. I'm going to stop my payment I believe here soon, and not worry. I already told Ian I dropped my VP of the Panhandle. I also already mentioned to him a while back AND a few other members I'm moving soon, and it'll be to a year or less .... So I don't see my point in trying to make the Panhandle useful when I won't be there, much less can get anything going.

I guess I'm just fed up. Since I can't post on either list hardly, (I tihnk i'm both moderated), I just have kept my mouth shut and kept a happy face while I've been in Oh for the holidays.....

Hey, if this gets me kicked off the list (main MRCCFL list), I am going to be thoroughly pissed as I'm stating my damnst opinion.

- Christi

jpd3253

Damn! Well put Christi. Right to the point

JP

LT1-10AE

This was not to start a flamewar of any sort. This is the only method I have now of communicating with the people of MRCCFL, a lot of whom support my running for presidency.

Would you be so kind as to remove any replies you see as derogatory towards Ian, MRCCFL or myself if they arise? All I ask is this topic be up for a week or so to let all who have interest forward this to other MRCCFL members. I think a weeks worth of board time should be plenty of time.

Thanks

SPiN Racing

I am the FORMER VP of the MRCCFL and actually my wife designed the website and logo for it.
I left as in the first year or so there were many issues of things being done without member input, and only the President had a say on what happened.

I personally know of several people who are UNABLE to post. I also am under the impression that as owner of the Yahoo group the president is in complete control of the list and all its posts/members.

These people were either people wanting to be president, or those with a different opinion than the President.

(I am trying to make this sterile as possible without flaming)

Anyhow.. there were issues of blacklisting starting in the past. Some people didnt get merchandise for being charters.. and to this day never did get it. Even though the checks were cashed. That is for them to handle as they see fit.. and they have expressed disgust.. but are not too concerned with the items they were supposed to recieve.

I left as I say the potential for legal ramifications being levied against the club for the Presidents mis-deeds. I resigned and dis-associated myself as much as able.

There ARE issues. The members who are active NEED to speak up. If you do not.. you will not be able to enact a change. There are several checks in place to prevent the current Pres from BEING removed. It must be done by the members on a vote. If they are not presented with Candidates.. they cannot make an informed vote.

Brian makes the THIRD person I know of who wants to run for Pres.. and is unable to because they are being prevented from posting.

Jims5543

iTrader: (2)

I thought I had it all figured out until I started chatting with you. I understand you're frustrations after posting with Jerry and John Fitz and others over on NP.

Sorry Brian, you seem to be pushing the whole RX-7 name too much forgetting that Mazda now has RX-8's out and I personally feel like changing the name is a really bad idea. Changing to RX-7 club , I think, will make RX-8 owners feel like they are not welcome. Your V-8 swap plans just seem too coincidental. I am not accusing you of any conspiracy just think that the name should remain.

I think Scott Martin, who has been around a lot of clubs and seen his share fall apart summed in up the best:

chris-reedtn

brian it has been a long time, but you got my vote!

-Chris

LT1-10AE

Well, apparently Ian will do ANYTHING to see that I will not have a chance at the presidency.

How do you win an election? You simply revoke the membership of your challenger.

Yes, you heard it right. When I talked to Berny about comments made by Ian about my SevenStock Caravan, Berny was rather upset that he was brought into the mess by Ian. In response, Berny nixxed all talks of SevenStock East because the club isn't stable enough to put on that type of event.

Since Berny pulled SSE because of IAN's doings, he takes his anger out on me by revoking my CHARTER MEMBERSHIP, therefore eliminating me from my run at the presidency.

On the topic of my being moderated on MRCCFL, straight from the source,

"You are very perceptive Brian. Yes, you are censored 100%, though "banned"
is the proper terminology. You are not running for anything and nobody
wants to see your dirty politics"

"Your membership in MRCCFL was revoked back when Berny
Herrera said there would be no SevenStock in FL. As a result, you have lost
all privileges on the list. That is why you cant post or participate."

Too bad the rest of the Charter Members can't throw the bum out. Personally I think he's afraid he'll lose the election and this is his last attempt to ensure he stays on. If he's so confident he will win, he should have no problem letting the election run it's course.

This is a sad, sad day for MRCCFL.

dvls-7

These questions were asked by a paid charter member. The questions were...What is the status of the club? Any officers left? Is Jerry still a signer on the club account? Here are my answers.....

Club at present?
At this point, we know that a lawyer/s have been retained by Ian.
Brian is no longer a candidate for president as a result of his membership being revoked by Ian.
The website is also up in the air as Ken has resigned his position as webmaster. The newsletter also at this time is on hold as Ken stepped down from newsletter editor also.
Everything else is up in the air as we all await what Ian will do.

Any officers left?
As of now the only officers still left are myself and Ron. Which brings the total to 4...Ian, Karen (Ian's significant other) making up the other 2. But before the holidays both Ron and I were asked/told to resign our positions, being that we have no control over anything Ian can very well just remove us at will. So that will leave Ian and Karen in control of the club and its funds.
As for the officers list I don't think that is up and running as a result of the lack of officers.

Jerry?
Jerry posted before that as of the 1st of this month he resigned his position. As of now he is still the second signer on the account. However, Jerry did also ask for his name to be removed from the account within a certain time. This again put things in Ian hands to get things done. As of who will be the second signer, at this point its quite obvious that Karen will become the second signer of the account.

No your questions are not unreasonable. I wish more questions be asked by the rest of the members both paying and non paying.

Damian

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JerryLH3

iTrader: (11)

Yes, with all that had happened to me during the last few weeks of 2004, I forgot to remind anybody that my resignation was effective January 1st, 2005.

I gave Ian 14 days from when a new board takes place to remove my name as the second signer on the account and replaced with a member of the new board.

The current state of affairs is sad indeed. It's no wonder I took a less stressful route and decided to write for RX Tuner instead of messing with MRCCFL politics any longer.

I'm going to keep quiet for the most part. I've given my opinions in the past, but if others want to incite change, they need to speak up. Ian has accused that there is a group of ten or so people that want him gone. Well, ten people is 20-25% of the paying membership. And that's just the one's who've spoken up.

This isn't my fight anymore, but people should take a long hard look at how things have gone in MRCCFL the past few months.

jpd3253

Asked on NP

How does that work? Revoking membership is a disciplinary action. According to MRCCFL Bylaws Ariticle 3.6.6 disciplinary action is by a majority vote of a quorum of the board. As such, the President, acting alone, cannot revoke membership? Are we ever going to adhere to the bylaws?

JP

turboren

Man, this is some crazy ****...

Ren

dvls-7

Couldn't have said it any better myself Ren.....

ROTORX7Holly

All of this is the very reason I would not become involved in the MRCCFL as a VP, when I lived in Tallahassee and was asked to be a VP. I saw the dictatorship way back, when the club was started. I did not want to be involved in any liabilities with the dictator leadership. Scott was one of the original members of the FL RX-7 Club and wanted to keep the club going, then he saw the light and quickly got out. From the very beginning, Ian was on a power trip. I participated in some of the organized events of the club, but never became a paying member.

There won't be a MRCCFL if no one pays dues. Just start a new Rotary Powered Car Club.

Holly

LT1-10AE

Hey Holly! Long time no see!

I saw the problems back in the day when I was VP for the Panhandle region. I had hopes of going for the presidency back then, but like now, the elections never took place.

That's the only way to change a club is to become involved and make things happen

CantGoStraight

I don't know if anyone noticed but I don't see alot of paying RX-8 members in this club. It's funny but right in the bylaws :

2.6 To increase public awareness of the RX-7 and other rotary engine cars.

This would lead me to believe the RX-7 is a focal point, then other rotary power cars. The name was created to intice the up and comming RX-8 people. Most of them really aren't interested in a club that is (old school rotary) as some of them have remarked, and see them selves as the newgeneration rotaries. Most of us have stuck together with out the structure because we enjoyed getting together. I hate to see people not got to events because of all this B.S. (bullshit) This is all old news and those of us who were in it know the truth. Those who came on board after the fack found out. I said it before if you go back and read the post right after the club was taken over they look identicale to what's been said here in the last few months. Changing the name of the club would be the members decision (not Brians) how ever changing his engine would be Brians, not our decision. Your right can't please everyone, but one thing I've found out.....it's alot easier to **** off alot of people than it is to win them over. The Pres. should be there for the club, not himself, Ians been for himself eversince he hijacked the Fla. RX-7 club. You can tell by there response they weren't all that thrilled with it. Sorry for the rant. P.S. if you check the members status Ian is shown as not being paid after Jan 2004 I believe. I'm still waiting for my 2005 membership card. Jack
Her's another bylaw I liked.

3.6.1 Misrepresentation & Misuse of Club: No member of the Club shall in any way use the Club or the Club's name for their own personal gain or enterprise.

Karen said Brian was messing with his lively hood. Sounds like he's using it for his personel gain to me if it's his lively hood.

christi

Well, he still hasnt answered my email, about it. So, .........

mitchiemitch1

we can put and end to all of this ..... just start another florida group i would like to join a group where i live in florida to share in my love of my rx7 but fact of the matter is mrccfl is older. im 23 and dont want to hang out with people who act 60 thats wht i have seen from a couple of events i showed up at . and do you really want to be a part of a club that you have no say in... why fight so hard. just be your own leader. and if others choose to follow so be it if not who wants them around any way.

christi

Do you think that's possible to start a NEW club? Do you think people are willing to go that far, as to do something like MRCCFL?

I'm just wondering.

mitchiemitch1

i do

twinturborx7pete

iTrader: (3)

mrccfl is dead anyways... i say we start a new group.. hell all of us that get together in jacksonville, tally, and orlando seem to be the only ***** around FL that do anything anymore. I say we do something new.. why be part a of a club that does nothing.. i was a member.. i never got any benefit to it.

I think this whole thing just needs to be dropped.. can't we all just get together like we already do without someone having to be in charge?