Fritz Flynn

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Done

KevinK2

This was more than just a video effect. Both you and I would take an ~early apex at Turn-1, and then use the full width of the track to take a large radius for the turn, and wind up at the left side of the track, kicking up a bit of dust where a utility road Teed in on that side, well downstream from the corner. The Orange car would almost always wind up at mid track after a corner, due to late apexes.

Fritz Flynn

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BMW Tarheel club on VIR full course

Driving the new to me 996 GT3. Taking it easy on braking, speed into 3, esses 10 etc....

Best lap 2.06 in slight traffic and about the only semi clean lap all weekend. Really crowded instructor group so just no room to stretch my legs and get comfortable etc.... which sucked when driving an unfamiliar car.

The car ran great, was super fun to drive and as the weekend progressed I became more comfortable, increasing speeds and tossing it around etc.... I'll post a fun vid from the last session Sunday (didn't drive at all Saturday because it rained all day) with a passenger riding along asap.

Here's the 2.06 vid:

ptrhahn

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Looking forward to checking out that GT3... sucks about the traffic, but at least you're getting point-bys. I'm in for Chin.

C'mon, man!!!

Fritz Flynn

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LOL

You and I, Ramon and Pat. The original OGs back at it. Should be a great event.

rx7 SE

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2:06 taking it easy, definitely has the 2:10 you did in my FD beat . Let me know when you're doing another event and I'll come down and check it out!

KevinK2

I was watching the new VIR video, and at the 25 sec point, you were braking after a long straight. Were you double clutching as you went down through the gears for the much slower corner, or just rev matching?

Based on limited time in the GT3, do you know if it's getting, or capable of faster lap times vs your FD?

I noticed both you and the previous "orange" car driver shifted the trans as I did .. gently.

Fritz Flynn

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Yep just heel toeing

Better option is a single shift from 6 to 3 with one blip but I found this trans and other GT3 transmissions in general just don't seem to like that or my technique is flawed. Also it's easier to miss shift going to neutral and selecting the one right gear but ultimately is the fastest method. That's a skill I need to improve upon. Much smoother braking to simply shift to neutral and threshold brake versus running down through the gears because as you do it even the very best driver slightly release brake pressure as they hit the gas with their heel.

With seat time I'd say it's a pretty close battle. But I just put a BIG new wing on the FD and also hoping to up the power to 375 or 385 from 330/350 so it really should be a about a 2 minute FLAT car this year. I need both more seat time and good rubber to get anywhere near 2 mins flat in the GT3 but it's doable and that's my goal

KevinK2

That's what I thought, double clutching. The only car I could do that with was an old 77 VW dasher wagon, with a "wheel to trans" rev match at the end. Pedals were perfect for me. But even with the stock FD, there was a bit of lag that made it difficult to do.

Fritz Flynn

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Yep a mostly stock FD with some bolt on parts doesn't stand a chance against the GT3 in any form. Similar to it trying to do battle with a well driven Z06. Just not happening.

I'm hoping to go to hyperfest this weekend which you would really enjoy checking out.

Also as mentioned Pete and I along with Ramon and Pat (two old school FD dudes who now drive p cars) will be at VIR 6/1-2 with Chin motorsports.

evo_koa

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what brakes are on the gt3?

patfat

Paging Brent...

Bought a set of Yoko slicks just for this occasion

Fritz Flynn

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Some fresh YOKO slicks will get that time down for sure

I may have to pick up some too

No word from my main man Ray at PFS so Hyperfest in the FD is likely out

Here's a lapping vid with Terry Harris riding shotgun (Randy's brother who's a long time FD owner and track rat).

ptrhahn

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Depending on how much time I have on the new single T, I might go for some fresh rubber (Hoosiers) for Chin, but if it's tuned the day before or something, I may take it easy, there are bound to be bugs that waste a set of fresh stickies.

That said, where would one acquire a set of yoko slicks if one were so inclined...?

P

patfat

Peter- I bought mine through Bob Woodman Tire out of South Carolina. IIRC Sasco at VIR has them too. The 6GT3 looks like it's got a nice suspension setup.

Sigh, sorry to hear about PFS and not getting you sorted for H-fest.

Sports Car Racing Tires - Performance Track Tires & Vintage Race TireBob Woodman Tires

Tem120

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Aww little sad to read this ! What mods would you imagine an FD needs to run toe to toe with a nice GT3?

Fritz Flynn

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As always it's all about power and weight because both cars are excellent handling cars

Prep each car with similar susp and tires (as big as you can squeeze under each car w/o modding the body) and whichever car has the most power is likely the one that runs the lowest lap time.

So toe to toe on a road course means reliability so you can imagine all the engine mods the FD needs to both stay cool and make 350 rwhp while the GT3 needs literally zero engine mods LOL

RCCAZ 1

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Give in to the DARK SIDE Fritz...... (heavy breathing sound)..... The FORCE is STRONG!!! Forget your past......

With that being said, I just watched your "Tar Heel" video and WOW, that P car is strong and you are smooth behind the wheel. FD certainly seems to be more at the "limit" in your vids than this car. Just say'in. Oh, and no need to stare at your gauges in the Porsche. Nice!

Fritz Flynn

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Yep, that's understood for sure. 100s of days in the FD and like 20 in various GT3s

With that said though it took my slow *** 100s of days to learn to drive so I have a big head start in the GT3

No doubt the dark side has a very strong force both figuratively and literally but if I saddle up with the devil it will likely be in a vette or viper.

Here's vid at day 4 in the 6 GT3 and beginning to feel a bit more comfortable. Pushing too hard at the end trying to get a decent lap time on a slippery track and you see the result. The p car is a bitch to balance LOL

KevinK2

Based on the previous video, looks like a little too hot on entry for that corner?

Is that p car basically stock on suspension and engine, with track tires? It seems like you are hitting the corner curbs harder than before, getting the most out of it.

When I was at Summit Point (prior to a fun stopping, permanent pain issue with my clutch foot), the only car that made me feel like I had the E-brake on was a Viper (pre C7), so I'm not surprised to see it on your dark side list!

Fritz Flynn

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I was entering ok but I think my right foot was just a little too heavy or as the saying goes I ran out of talent LOL

Yep trying a little harder but to be fast (keep up with the fast cars) now at VIR you have to take a lot of short cuts or beat the hell out of your car which sucks.

This car has stock shocks with stiffer springs (approx 500f and 700r)

Biggest go fast mods are a wing and cup gears in the trans

Tem120

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I never had the pleasure of driving a porsche fast , But now that you were talking about being to heavy on the gas I was wondering how you would compare the characteristics of the GT3 , vs the FD corner entry vs when to put the power down .

is it just about the same ? or would you say one has the advantage in a certain aspect vs the other ?

Basically what I'm asking haha , is it easier to put power down earlier in the porsche VS the FD since its rear engined and better traction / grip ? and does the FD had an advantage on the Porsche ?

Fritz Flynn

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Both cars provide lots of grip but clearly a car with lots of weight and tire out back will have a grip advantage in a straight line or from apex to track out.

However road courses are not straight lines So overall I'd say the FD with equal tires is the car with superior grip from corner entry to full track out.

In the P car I'm driving on 315 hoos or 305 slicks. FD on 275 hoos. The FD has a small power/weight advantage but the GT3 has a pretty big tire advantage. So with all that said I think my FD with an equal power to weight and running on 315s is the faster car.

rx7 SE

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Have you beat your FD's best lap in the GT3 yet? Is your FD back at home?

I've noticed when doing runs with my buddies 997 he's fighting the wheel a lot less, can get on the throttle sooner, but doesn't quite carry as much apex speed. Low speed turn in seems to be in favor of the FD as well .

Fritz Flynn

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Best lap in the GT3 is a high 2.04 or 2.05 flat on old slicks

Best lap in the FD is a 2.024 on fresh hankook c51s. The FD is probably a little faster but mostly because I can't drive the GT3 that well. I have the FD back but it has a boost issues ( overboosting ) and I'm too lazy to mess with it. Also super busy at work these days so the track time is taking a back seat. If I get back to the track this year it will likely be in the GT3.