Dedicated Lemons/Chumpcar Thread
02-08-10, 06:04 PM
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My weekend rundown...
I left my house on Thursday as soon as I could possibly get off work(4pm). I had to run and pick up some parts for my yellow car at a speed shop in Nashville(an hour drive) before 6pm. So after getting home from work, I quickly loaded up my stuff and hit the road. I pick up my parts, drop them off with Dan, then I head to Laura's house. BTW, all of these places are on the way so I'm not going out of my way. I got to Laura's house around 8pm. Watch the office with her and eat dinner. I leave at 8:30pm. I get to Dalton, GA around midnight. I get up at 4am, get ready, and head to our meet up point at Dave's house in Chatsworth, GA. We link up and hit the road at around 7 or 7:30am. Temporary side track...
I had went to Discovery Parts on Monday to try on and purchase my gear. My suit wasn't in stock but Ron told me Alpinestar's is really good about shipping and meeting deadlines. He assured me that my driver's suit would be at my house on Thursday. On Thursday morning Ron calls me and says "your suit just showed up here." He then informed me that he was going to overnight it to me to the track or my hotel. I then realized that we would be going through Atlanta so Ron said it would be no problem meeting me in Atlanta as I drove through.... which he did. As you guys already know 100x over, Ron and Discovery Parts are top notch. Ron earned my business the good old fashion way.
It rained the entire drive to CMP as well as all day Friday. We arrived at the track at around 2:00pm or so. We then couldn't find our tech inspection form so one of the team members went to see if he could find one. The tech people said they were charging $100 for a tech form. We decided to drive 30 minutes back into town to find somewhere to print one off
We arrived back with the form an hour later and we went through tech without issue. We bribed the BS judges but still received 4 penalty laps for our radiator. We were ok with that. Because it was so nasty, we didn't stick around the track and headed to the hotel.
After a good nights sleep, we arrive at the track, go to the driver's meeting, and get ready for the race. The car was running well.
my radiator ducting:
After the first hour, we switched driver's. 30 minutes in to the second driver's leg, we had a castrophic engine failure:
Is this bad?
So we talk a little to decide what we want to do. We go to the timing tower to utilize the wifi internet and get on craigslist. We found an engine in Monroe, NC for $200 out of an 81 Bronco. It "ran" when it was pulled, but ultimately we were taking a risk on it. Nonetheless, we decided to pull the trigger. Two team members went and picked up the engine, two team members went to the parts store to get all the necessary gaskets and supplies, and two team members stayed at the track. A couple hours later, everyone was back at the paddock working. Since the engine was out of a bronco, the oil pan obviously wouldn't work. Adam welded up the old oil pan and put a little jb weld on it just for good measure and it was as good as new:
I guess we were getting talked about quite a bit in the paddock as we had a ton of ppl come by and offer to help or just keep us company while we worked. One guy that helped us out is a guy named Disney from Cookeville(my hometown). He is the rainman of ford engines and, without his help with timing and what not, we prob. wouldn't of been as successful.
I left my house on Thursday as soon as I could possibly get off work(4pm). I had to run and pick up some parts for my yellow car at a speed shop in Nashville(an hour drive) before 6pm. So after getting home from work, I quickly loaded up my stuff and hit the road. I pick up my parts, drop them off with Dan, then I head to Laura's house. BTW, all of these places are on the way so I'm not going out of my way. I got to Laura's house around 8pm. Watch the office with her and eat dinner. I leave at 8:30pm. I get to Dalton, GA around midnight. I get up at 4am, get ready, and head to our meet up point at Dave's house in Chatsworth, GA. We link up and hit the road at around 7 or 7:30am. Temporary side track...
I had went to Discovery Parts on Monday to try on and purchase my gear. My suit wasn't in stock but Ron told me Alpinestar's is really good about shipping and meeting deadlines. He assured me that my driver's suit would be at my house on Thursday. On Thursday morning Ron calls me and says "your suit just showed up here." He then informed me that he was going to overnight it to me to the track or my hotel. I then realized that we would be going through Atlanta so Ron said it would be no problem meeting me in Atlanta as I drove through.... which he did. As you guys already know 100x over, Ron and Discovery Parts are top notch. Ron earned my business the good old fashion way.
It rained the entire drive to CMP as well as all day Friday. We arrived at the track at around 2:00pm or so. We then couldn't find our tech inspection form so one of the team members went to see if he could find one. The tech people said they were charging $100 for a tech form. We decided to drive 30 minutes back into town to find somewhere to print one off
We arrived back with the form an hour later and we went through tech without issue. We bribed the BS judges but still received 4 penalty laps for our radiator. We were ok with that. Because it was so nasty, we didn't stick around the track and headed to the hotel. After a good nights sleep, we arrive at the track, go to the driver's meeting, and get ready for the race. The car was running well.
my radiator ducting:
After the first hour, we switched driver's. 30 minutes in to the second driver's leg, we had a castrophic engine failure:
Is this bad?
So we talk a little to decide what we want to do. We go to the timing tower to utilize the wifi internet and get on craigslist. We found an engine in Monroe, NC for $200 out of an 81 Bronco. It "ran" when it was pulled, but ultimately we were taking a risk on it. Nonetheless, we decided to pull the trigger. Two team members went and picked up the engine, two team members went to the parts store to get all the necessary gaskets and supplies, and two team members stayed at the track. A couple hours later, everyone was back at the paddock working. Since the engine was out of a bronco, the oil pan obviously wouldn't work. Adam welded up the old oil pan and put a little jb weld on it just for good measure and it was as good as new:
I guess we were getting talked about quite a bit in the paddock as we had a ton of ppl come by and offer to help or just keep us company while we worked. One guy that helped us out is a guy named Disney from Cookeville(my hometown). He is the rainman of ford engines and, without his help with timing and what not, we prob. wouldn't of been as successful.
02-08-10, 06:05 PM
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We worked until around 1:30am and finally drove back to the hotel. Once frost starting forming on the wrenches... we knew it was time to call it a night. We were all really tired and needed to finish the job after getting some rest. Here we were sometime late:
We arrived back in time for the driver's meeting and went straight back to work. We worked all morning and had the car fired thanks to all the hard work of everyone on the team and a few other people, by 11am... which is quite hour. We went back on track and the car was doing great. We were still working out some bugs, but the car ran great. I was the second driver. I got in the car actually being a little nervous... I had never driven CMP or this mustang, which I'm sure was tail happy. I got in the car and went out and had some fun. I was really surprised, the car handled great for what it was! It would break loose occasionally, but it was very predictable and controllable. I wanted to take it easy on the car to ensure everyone had a chance to drive in the event that something else happened to the car. I'm not going to lie though, I was having a blast passing people left and right even taking it easy. The car had some giddy up. I also played it smart, instead of trying to dive bomb past people(brakes weren't that strong anyways), I would brake early and get back in the gas early, carry more speed through the turn and suck the paint off of them when I went by... not really, but it was enough to get around them. I later found out I ran a 1:04 lap time "taking it easy". The fastest lap of the weekend was a 1:01. It's obviously a marathon race and not a sprint, but it was kind of cool to find that out. coulda, shoulda, woulda. Anyways, we battled minor issues the rest of the day but it ended well. The guy who drove after me wrecked head on into the tire wall(30mph according to the datalogger) when the throttle return spring broke and stuck the throttle open. He was fine and it didn't do anything to the car other than dent the fender. We fixed the car and got it back out there. Here he is getting into the car:
And afterwards:
The in car video of the car behind him:
Matthew and the Saab 9000 team won the race:
To the victor go the spoils... $1500 in nickels:
We were awarded the "most heroic build" award:
I finally arrived home at 4am this morning. That's it.
Brent
We arrived back in time for the driver's meeting and went straight back to work. We worked all morning and had the car fired thanks to all the hard work of everyone on the team and a few other people, by 11am... which is quite hour. We went back on track and the car was doing great. We were still working out some bugs, but the car ran great. I was the second driver. I got in the car actually being a little nervous... I had never driven CMP or this mustang, which I'm sure was tail happy. I got in the car and went out and had some fun. I was really surprised, the car handled great for what it was! It would break loose occasionally, but it was very predictable and controllable. I wanted to take it easy on the car to ensure everyone had a chance to drive in the event that something else happened to the car. I'm not going to lie though, I was having a blast passing people left and right even taking it easy. The car had some giddy up. I also played it smart, instead of trying to dive bomb past people(brakes weren't that strong anyways), I would brake early and get back in the gas early, carry more speed through the turn and suck the paint off of them when I went by... not really, but it was enough to get around them. I later found out I ran a 1:04 lap time "taking it easy". The fastest lap of the weekend was a 1:01. It's obviously a marathon race and not a sprint, but it was kind of cool to find that out. coulda, shoulda, woulda. Anyways, we battled minor issues the rest of the day but it ended well. The guy who drove after me wrecked head on into the tire wall(30mph according to the datalogger) when the throttle return spring broke and stuck the throttle open. He was fine and it didn't do anything to the car other than dent the fender. We fixed the car and got it back out there. Here he is getting into the car:
And afterwards:
The in car video of the car behind him:
Matthew and the Saab 9000 team won the race:
To the victor go the spoils... $1500 in nickels:
We were awarded the "most heroic build" award:
I finally arrived home at 4am this morning. That's it.
Brent
02-08-10, 07:48 PM
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Nice write-up and great job with the last minute engine swap and setting quick lap times afterwards! That's really what this event is all about 
My weekend started Friday morning with the threat of 30+ inches of snow in VA. I bailed out of town early in the morning and drove straight down 8 hours to meet up with the team at the track. Got there and the team captain and car had arrived but noone else. One driver was coming down from upstate NY, another from Wyoming so we had weather working against us. Got everything set up and called it a night, hoping the rest of the team would make it for the morning.
Saturday morning and everyone made it in over night. The car fired up and I went out for the morning shift. Everything was running fine, but the track was cold, wet and covered in oil from the Tunachucker's Volvo that dumped it's whole crankcase out on the racing line during the parade laps. I almost looped the car under full-course caution before the green even dropped. Wasn't looking forward to going all-out in these conditions, but they improved throughout the morning. All the same, cars were spinning out and flying off (and back on) the track in front of me all morning in the slick conditions. I ran a 3 hour stint and brought it in under yellow to change drivers and refuel. Our second guy took it out and within a few hours had managed to wear down the front tire to the point it burst. He limped it back in and we changed tires and sent him back out. The rest of the day was uneventful and everything went smoothly. The leaders were dropping out of the race left and right due to penalties or mechanical failures. We finished Saturday's racing in the top position.
I was tapped for running the first stint on Sunday morning. Knowing that we had to maintain our tentative 3-6 lap lead over the closest 3 cars that were right behind, and do it in the cold wasn't easy to sleep on. Come Sunday morning, after the driver's meeting when they called the top 10 cars to track, I was belted in and ready to go and the car wouldn't start. A frantic effort to diagnose the problem and get the thing running saw us miss the green flag but we made it back on-track before missing too many laps. Already in a distracted state of mind from the mechanical issues, I pushed as hard as I thought safe to do given the conditions and had to fend off the 2nd place car who catching me up from behind in an attempt to pass for the race lead. At the same time I was catching the 3rd place car and there was only 2 cars separating me from lapping him when a full course yellow came out followed by the checkered. Didn't make up the lap but managed to bring the car in for the quiet hour break still in the lead.
After the quiet hours were over, the car was sent back out for the final part of the race. This is where it really counted because we were in contention with the endurancekarting.com Miata driven by a pro driver. Several times during the rest of the race, we swapped positions with the car. They did a refuel under full course yellow but we weren't so lucky and had to do ours under green. They refueled before us though and had to come in a second time while we didn't. They also did a driver change so we made up those lost laps, so there was nothing in it for the lead. We had our final driver out there but he was running on well-used tires that were already flat-spotted. We didn't know if he could make it to the end of the race but we couldn't afford any time for a pit stop. Fortunately for us, and not so much for the Miata team, their replacement driver picked up a stop-and-go penalty for passing under yellow with less than 1 hour remaining so he lost several laps. We used this to our advantage and had our driver back off and conserve the tires. Still, I felt bad for the other team that tried so hard and we shook their hands and gave them our sympathies/congratulations for an otherwise perfectly run race. We took the checker and brought the car back in with the steel belts showing and a blister on the tread block the size of a quarter. One more lap at speed and that tire would have blown out.
The whole weekend was a blur of crazy highs and lows and we got super lucky with some of the other teams dropping out with penalties or mechanical failures. The car willed itself to finish with that tire about to let go and electrical problems that kept us from starting on the pole on Sunday. All-in-all we had luck on our side and after 8 LeMons races, the SAAB finally brought home the nickels!
After a celebratory drink and chatting with the organizers/judges for a bit we packed up the car and headed back to the frozen north. Got in about 3am, a lot of the local highways were still not plowed so it was a bit dicey, but my neighbor had snow-blowered my driveway so I could get to my door which was a nice finish to such a long weekend! The racing was terrific, the action was non-stop, I'm exhausted, and I can't wait for the next one!!!
My weekend started Friday morning with the threat of 30+ inches of snow in VA. I bailed out of town early in the morning and drove straight down 8 hours to meet up with the team at the track. Got there and the team captain and car had arrived but noone else. One driver was coming down from upstate NY, another from Wyoming so we had weather working against us. Got everything set up and called it a night, hoping the rest of the team would make it for the morning.
Saturday morning and everyone made it in over night. The car fired up and I went out for the morning shift. Everything was running fine, but the track was cold, wet and covered in oil from the Tunachucker's Volvo that dumped it's whole crankcase out on the racing line during the parade laps. I almost looped the car under full-course caution before the green even dropped. Wasn't looking forward to going all-out in these conditions, but they improved throughout the morning. All the same, cars were spinning out and flying off (and back on) the track in front of me all morning in the slick conditions. I ran a 3 hour stint and brought it in under yellow to change drivers and refuel. Our second guy took it out and within a few hours had managed to wear down the front tire to the point it burst. He limped it back in and we changed tires and sent him back out. The rest of the day was uneventful and everything went smoothly. The leaders were dropping out of the race left and right due to penalties or mechanical failures. We finished Saturday's racing in the top position.
I was tapped for running the first stint on Sunday morning. Knowing that we had to maintain our tentative 3-6 lap lead over the closest 3 cars that were right behind, and do it in the cold wasn't easy to sleep on. Come Sunday morning, after the driver's meeting when they called the top 10 cars to track, I was belted in and ready to go and the car wouldn't start. A frantic effort to diagnose the problem and get the thing running saw us miss the green flag but we made it back on-track before missing too many laps. Already in a distracted state of mind from the mechanical issues, I pushed as hard as I thought safe to do given the conditions and had to fend off the 2nd place car who catching me up from behind in an attempt to pass for the race lead. At the same time I was catching the 3rd place car and there was only 2 cars separating me from lapping him when a full course yellow came out followed by the checkered. Didn't make up the lap but managed to bring the car in for the quiet hour break still in the lead.
After the quiet hours were over, the car was sent back out for the final part of the race. This is where it really counted because we were in contention with the endurancekarting.com Miata driven by a pro driver. Several times during the rest of the race, we swapped positions with the car. They did a refuel under full course yellow but we weren't so lucky and had to do ours under green. They refueled before us though and had to come in a second time while we didn't. They also did a driver change so we made up those lost laps, so there was nothing in it for the lead. We had our final driver out there but he was running on well-used tires that were already flat-spotted. We didn't know if he could make it to the end of the race but we couldn't afford any time for a pit stop. Fortunately for us, and not so much for the Miata team, their replacement driver picked up a stop-and-go penalty for passing under yellow with less than 1 hour remaining so he lost several laps. We used this to our advantage and had our driver back off and conserve the tires. Still, I felt bad for the other team that tried so hard and we shook their hands and gave them our sympathies/congratulations for an otherwise perfectly run race. We took the checker and brought the car back in with the steel belts showing and a blister on the tread block the size of a quarter. One more lap at speed and that tire would have blown out.
The whole weekend was a blur of crazy highs and lows and we got super lucky with some of the other teams dropping out with penalties or mechanical failures. The car willed itself to finish with that tire about to let go and electrical problems that kept us from starting on the pole on Sunday. All-in-all we had luck on our side and after 8 LeMons races, the SAAB finally brought home the nickels!
After a celebratory drink and chatting with the organizers/judges for a bit we packed up the car and headed back to the frozen north. Got in about 3am, a lot of the local highways were still not plowed so it was a bit dicey, but my neighbor had snow-blowered my driveway so I could get to my door which was a nice finish to such a long weekend! The racing was terrific, the action was non-stop, I'm exhausted, and I can't wait for the next one!!!
02-10-10, 11:50 PM
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The lap times were tracked via the AMB transponders that all competitors use. The car had some datalogging box and the guy on the team told me what it was, but I don't remember. I am running a traqmate with display in my track car. It's easy to use for knuckle draggers like myself. It also has alot of cool features I wasn't aware of... like the ability to datalog car sensors like wideband air/fuel and oil pressure. A large majority of the track guys in my area use traqmates so comparing other drivers data is fairly easy. I just wish they had an all in one display.
03-10-10, 12:22 PM
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Some mayhem from the "Sears Pointless" event over the last weekend. My understanding is the driver was okay.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2QTjjheyGE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h01Enj8zHTY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2QTjjheyGE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h01Enj8zHTY
03-29-10, 04:35 PM
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I hope talking about ChumpCar is okay in this thread!
We have done 2 lemons races (both Houston races last year) and now one chumpcar race.
We have a 1980 First gen. The car is stripped of everything!! We keep having rearend troubles (It is always leaking, or bending, or just getting mangled)
We raced the Chumpcar race in Pueblo colorado this past weekend. On Saturday, we had a mysterious wheel issue ...It left the car! WE dented the gas tank, tore off the fuel pump, and mangled our LSD disc rearend.
In about 1.5 hours, we changed out the rearend, fixed the gas tank, and replaced teh fuel pump.
We finished 11th on saturday.
The chumpcar races are 2 seperate races. One 7 hour race on saturday, and then a 7 huor race on sunday.
We battled for the lead most of the day on sunday, but alas, only finished 2nd.
All in all it was a good time!
The Chumpcar racing is more fun! THey don't black flag you for spinning out or putting two wheels off. They will however black flag you for doing it repeatedly. It seemed alot more like real racing in the Chumpcar race!
Anyway, see you guys at Summit point!
We have done 2 lemons races (both Houston races last year) and now one chumpcar race.
We have a 1980 First gen. The car is stripped of everything!! We keep having rearend troubles (It is always leaking, or bending, or just getting mangled)
We raced the Chumpcar race in Pueblo colorado this past weekend. On Saturday, we had a mysterious wheel issue ...It left the car! WE dented the gas tank, tore off the fuel pump, and mangled our LSD disc rearend.
In about 1.5 hours, we changed out the rearend, fixed the gas tank, and replaced teh fuel pump.
We finished 11th on saturday.
The chumpcar races are 2 seperate races. One 7 hour race on saturday, and then a 7 huor race on sunday.
We battled for the lead most of the day on sunday, but alas, only finished 2nd.
All in all it was a good time!
The Chumpcar racing is more fun! THey don't black flag you for spinning out or putting two wheels off. They will however black flag you for doing it repeatedly. It seemed alot more like real racing in the Chumpcar race!
Anyway, see you guys at Summit point!
04-11-10, 09:57 AM
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I hope so 
My team competed in the Chumpcar race at Rockingham recently though I wasn't with them for this one. They had a great time and plan to do more of those events. I would say they agree with you that the chumpcar racing is better -- less black flags/penalties for stupid stuff. Too bad the fields are so small right now.
I should be at the Summit Point Lemons race but with a different team than usual: the Booby Prize Racing Nissan 200sx that won the 24 at Nelson Ledges last fall (we came in 13th there with the SAAB due to losing first through fourth gears for 19 hrs of the race!).
Got a little GRM coverage from the CMP race in Feb here:
My team competed in the Chumpcar race at Rockingham recently though I wasn't with them for this one. They had a great time and plan to do more of those events. I would say they agree with you that the chumpcar racing is better -- less black flags/penalties for stupid stuff. Too bad the fields are so small right now.I should be at the Summit Point Lemons race but with a different team than usual: the Booby Prize Racing Nissan 200sx that won the 24 at Nelson Ledges last fall (we came in 13th there with the SAAB due to losing first through fourth gears for 19 hrs of the race!).
Got a little GRM coverage from the CMP race in Feb here:
09-23-10, 02:31 PM
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hey I removed the oil metering and Im running the chumpcar race this weekend- will i need to run more that one oz per gallon of fuel on the track? also we plan on running 87 octane that will be ok, right? anything helps!
Good luck to any other rotary competitors at sebring this weekend!
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Good luck to any other rotary competitors at sebring this weekend!
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09-23-10, 04:17 PM
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I premix 1/2oz per gallon with pump fuel on my street car w/3mm seals (so 9 oz per 18 gal tank or thereabouts), but I also still have a working OMP so I don't know that that's very helpful. No recommendation on the fuel though, we run a turbo car so we use 93.
10-13-10, 06:16 PM
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If anybody is looking for a Lemons/Chumpcar first gen chassis, I'm selling my caged chassis if you have a donor for the rest.
http://www.nasaforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=37373
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11-17-10, 02:38 PM
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FB wins 12-hour endurance race
Pigs fly, hell freezes over, and our nearly-stock FB wins an endurance race in its third try: the 12-hour Chumpcar race at Willow Springs Nov 13 2010.
We had the 5th-fastest car on the track (as measured by single fastest lap of the day) so this was a narrow margin win (7-lap margin out of 353 total laps) created through consistent driving, well-run pit stops and a LOT of luck to avoid any breakdowns.
viva la rotary!
We had the 5th-fastest car on the track (as measured by single fastest lap of the day) so this was a narrow margin win (7-lap margin out of 353 total laps) created through consistent driving, well-run pit stops and a LOT of luck to avoid any breakdowns.
viva la rotary!
11-18-10, 11:32 AM
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Pigs fly, hell freezes over, and our nearly-stock FB wins an endurance race in its third try: the 12-hour Chumpcar race at Willow Springs Nov 13 2010.
We had the 5th-fastest car on the track (as measured by single fastest lap of the day) so this was a narrow margin win (7-lap margin out of 353 total laps) created through consistent driving, well-run pit stops and a LOT of luck to avoid any breakdowns.
viva la rotary!
We had the 5th-fastest car on the track (as measured by single fastest lap of the day) so this was a narrow margin win (7-lap margin out of 353 total laps) created through consistent driving, well-run pit stops and a LOT of luck to avoid any breakdowns.
viva la rotary!
Mike Is that rear bumper off of my old car? Wow!
11-24-10, 02:53 PM
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1.5 weeks til we'll be at Buttonwillow with a V-8 FC. I'm a substitute driver on this team and never done a LeMons race but it can't be any different than running my SCCA ITS car, can it?
11-24-10, 03:38 PM
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Not a bit different
Just remember, it's 80% silliness and 20% racing. Keep all 4 wheels on the track and don't waste time on pit stops and you do better than you think.
Good luck!
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Hey Steve:
Thanks for the props. Yeah, I'm going with an open mind on this one. I've been watching a lot of Youtube videos of LeMons and Buttonwillow to try to be prepared. Dang some of those LeMons drivers are downright scarry... (and some are very good!) but I think it should only take a few hours to weed out the most dangerous ones lol...
Cheers,
Jim
Thanks for the props. Yeah, I'm going with an open mind on this one. I've been watching a lot of Youtube videos of LeMons and Buttonwillow to try to be prepared. Dang some of those LeMons drivers are downright scarry... (and some are very good!) but I think it should only take a few hours to weed out the most dangerous ones lol...
Cheers,
Jim
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Woo Hoo! We actually finished the race! Our team ("Hit and Run 2") finished 56th out of 173 starters. Our team mates Team "Hit and Run" finished 12th. It was touch and go for us when with approx 30 minutes to go we lost 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 5th gear... but we were able to limp home in 4th. We have a few other strange noises and issues to investigate but for a 16 hour race with a "$500 V8 RX7" I'd say we did pretty good.
gracer7: I saw the "Silver Bullet" first gen RX7 number 911 at the race but didn't get down to talk to them. They finished in 60th place. I was amazed at the number of RX7's that were present and most of them did pretty well. I've got a video that I'll post when I get it edited.
gracer7: I saw the "Silver Bullet" first gen RX7 number 911 at the race but didn't get down to talk to them. They finished in 60th place. I was amazed at the number of RX7's that were present and most of them did pretty well. I've got a video that I'll post when I get it edited.