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You got it. Tell me why its better than my haltech. Right now I see a bitchin dash unit, and a nice controller. Id rather not lug my laptop everywhere. So, tell me why its better than my E6K, and that I should sell it. Pictures kick *** too. Throw in some prices too, so I dont have to search, lol.
You have been asking haltech questions for 6 months+
with very little help from pros Eh
Hitman barely offers any help now does he
here on this board
and here on the MT thread you got 1 person who is directly associated with the development of Microtech
and 2 other great MT tuners
Listen it comes down to ease of installation
and ease of tune and
the stableness of the ECU
I got a E6K and its not stable as reported by MANY
FC and FD owners who use the stock coils (tach bouncing etc)
irratic ingition problems to be precise
as for support remember
the NHRA season starts soon
and Microtech tuners like Marco Acosta and others will be traveling across the nation
I'm sure they will be offering there services from point A to point B
even Anthony I'm sure will be attending some races
As I said before, I do not believe the Microtech is a BETTER EMS system than the Haltech by any means. It does offer a few little neat things over the haltech but it also does lack some features such as outputs etc. The Microtech is nothing more than another option that happens to be cheaper. If you already have a Haltech, personally I would not go out and buy a Microtech unless you are just REALLY put off by the Haltech software or the fact there is no option but tuning by laptop. I have messed the the Haltech a bit, and I really didn't ever get into the software, I just don't like the interface, I think the Microtech interface looks a little more user friendly and easier to work with. It took me a while to decide if the Microtech would do all I wanted it to do, but at this point I think it will work fine for what I want, but then again, so would an E6K.
Im also not a big fan of the haltech interface. My main concern is going to be getting the car to pass emission testing so that I can drive it on the street. Im still unsure if the microtech can do that for me. I also dont want to blow my motor tuning it, and the microtech looks a little more user friendly to me.I also dont want to have to downgrade my laptop, or buy another shitty one. I also like hot the dash unit can show me things id need a laptop to see with the Haltech.
Im also STILL confused on what t he ACTUAL injector resolution is. Ive read .06, .05, and .04 ms. DOes anyone really know?
Also, what about the O2 loop mode. Wouldnt I need closed loop to help emissions tuning?
The injector resoultion on the current LT series is .04 if you spend the time in the tuning you will get it to pass emisions, with standard primarys, if you have large primarys you may have some issues, closed loop is not required, as long as you tune to 14.7:1 at all cruse points etc you will not need it,
as i said the more time you spend tuning the better it will be,
i could spend hours tuning a car, the longer your are in it for the better it gets, i would honestly put down about 4 hours to FULLY tune a car for both max power and drivability, cruse tuning can only be done on the street a dyno cannot accuralty reproduce what the street does.
The microtech software will run on any laptop that has a com port, no matter what operating system is on it,
i know what you mean about the haltech interface, it is hard to use and very slow, the microtech has the advantage of being able to be put into 2d mode for course tuning then switched into 3d mode to fine tune everything, this feature saves lots of time on the load tuning,
If I can get it to pass emissions, and the resolution is as fine as the haltech, I see no reason why I shouldnt get one. Anyone know someone interested in a Haltech?
personally i have a E6K in my car it is ROCK solid. the interface is SO easy to use. E6K software will work on any laptop with a serial port and a floppy drive. my car did have a timing issue but judge ito resolved and i have not had ONE problem. the only people i know using the microtech in my area is MVA motorsport and i have never been in or seen a microtech car run.
i have had an ltx8 on my car (96 fd) since they first came out. explored other options but found that the microtech did everything i wanted. was cheaper to. i have been in haltech and autronic cars and drivability on and off boost was no different to the microtech. i admit they have a few features over the microtech, however, your really need to ask yourself if you need them.
as 10sec rx7 said it is all in the tuning of the ems. if you dont know what you are doing spending big $$$ on a computer is not gonna make the car run any better.
My car is fairly modified, T66, ported etc etc and the car runs fine. most of the bad press you here about microtech comes from people that have not had a competent tuner at their disposal.
basically the microtech is a great unit for the price and i would say probably more suited to the rotary than any of the other ems's round.
sorry for the lack of technical detail, thats not really my go. just giving you a real world example.
Originally posted by 10sec rx7 The microtech software will run on any laptop that has a com port, no matter what operating system is on it,
Sorry to **** on your parade, Dale, but I don't want you to get overly enthuastic here. The only Microtech software I've seen requires a Win32-based OS to run. Be careful making such claims when there are people (like me) that use OSes like Linux and MacOS9 or X.
For what it's worth, most of the rotary powered cars in the "Serious Performance, Fast 4's and Rotarys" video series, out of australia run on microtech.
I'm in on the groupbuy as well No7Yet. Please email me as well at nrhutchinson@mail.utexas.edu just curious as to how many people are in on the groupbuy so far. I would be interested in the LT8. Also, I would be interested in hearing how much the terminated FC harness is too.
I've had Microtech installed in my FDS3 for 2 years.
I started off with the MTX8 model which worked perfect untill I updated to the LT8 last week... What a difference!
I'm running a Garrett T66. My engine is mild ported and dowelled running bigger injectors, fuel pumps etc. and the Microtech has no probs running it on the street in traffic. I also still run air/con!
My mechanic Pac Performance can either tune it with 3D laptop software or through the handcontroller.
Microtech also have a wiring harness for the FDS3 Rx7's too. Plugs straight in like a Power Fc unit.
Okay....I had a question about the Microtech running AC. Now I know the AC is run by another auxillary computer, but I remember hearing that you have to let the Microtech know when AC is on/off, how does this work.....????
If you want to get in on the group buy, you must join the mailing list. Check http://www.team140.net for details. I don't want to say how many people are in right now (pre-hatch chicken-counting and all that...), but it looks like the 10% discount is a real possibility.
Once you're on the list, email either me or the list and tell me:
- who you are
- where you are
- what sort of motor you'll be controlling
- how sure (%) you are that you're in
Originally posted by Spool Up Okay....I had a question about the Microtech running AC. Now I know the AC is run by another auxillary computer, but I remember hearing that you have to let the Microtech know when AC is on/off, how does this work.....????
I'm not using my A/C any more, so don't look to me for a definitive answer, but AFAIK, there are two signals that are passed between the A/C and stock ECU - there's a WOT signal, which tells the A/C clutch to disengage, and an A/C-on signal, which tells the ECU to idle up. The stock BAC, controlled by the LT8, should be enough to compensate for a/c load, and if you can't be bothered to turn off your a/c before romping on it, just install a WOT switch a'la a nitrous system.
Yes, when you turn the AC on the Microtech will increase the idle to compensate for the extra load.
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Originally posted by Spool Up Okay....I had a question about the Microtech running AC. Now I know the AC is run by another auxillary computer, but I remember hearing that you have to let the Microtech know when AC is on/off, how does this work.....????
Does this unit have the ablity to control split timing? Also, by controlling the BAC valve, can that be used as a fast idle? I don't have AC or PS, but I don't want to have to keep my foot in it while it warms up like my carburated olds. Before, I wasn't so sure about the mircotech, but now I'm kinda thinking about it. And just to get it straight, how many outputs are on this unit. I've heard 1 and can it be used to control either the fan or an aux fuel pump. Speaking of that, does it have a fuel pump output? Thanks.
Yes it can control split timing,
there is 1 output that can be set to control BAC valve or fan etc,
the ecu has a fuel pump trigger wire and comes supplied with a realy for the fuel pump.,
the group buy finishes in 1 1/2 days time, and the units are very very cheap due to getting more than 15 people and the extra 10% discount.
how cheap are we talkin here? I found the group buy and subscribed to the list. Do I have to put money up today or just have my name it? Also, is it worth it to get the bosch coils or just use the stock S4 coils? Also, I believe the stock TPS on the S4 is fairly low resolution. How much for a GM TPS and a 3 bar MAP? What about air temp and coolant temp? The stock sensors are good for this? Lastly, how would I connect up to the stock sensors, cut and splice to the factory connectors? Thanks.
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