Trying to get FD started for the first time in 3 Years. Thanks in Advance!
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Trying to get FD started for the first time in 3 Years. Thanks in Advance!
Good Afternoon Guys & Gals!
I've been a member for awhile now; plundering the plethora of information and knowledge so graciously shared by every contributing member on this forum for years: thank you for all of your help, direct or indirect. But I digress...
First of all, I'd like to give a big shout out to Fritz_Flynn for the shell and misc. parts and Bstarr for some other parts as well. You guys are great!
So here is where we stand in chronological order (WARNING: LONG POST):
-Purchased 93 FD Rolling Shell with wheels, manual rack, headlights, hatch, doors, subframes (both)
-Saved a bunch of parts from my last build (94 FD wrecked unfortunately in 2012 but salvaged as much as I could prior to getting rid of the shell) Retrieved Megan coilovers, nearly full interior, diff, driveshaft, trans, motor/body/dash/instrument, engine harnesses, better condition doors/hatch, igniter, fluidyne radiator, Greddy 2-Row FMIC & Piping, gauge cluster, R1 Seats, CF Bonnet, and taillights from my parent's house where I had been storing everything. Most things were in boxes in the basement, the motor/drive train/trans were left outside under the deck under a tarp on top of a concrete slab. I live in Northern Virginia so the weather throughout the past few years has been extremely variable, high humidity, high heat, rain, snow, dry cold, etc. I work at an automotive performance shop in Chantilly, F3 Auto and the vehicle has been in this shop throughout the entire build: occasionally pushed out to the parking lot when we have a lot of clients (customers first! Lol)
Notes: motor and all the parts I had stored came out of my FD running. When I got in the accident, my FD held a smooth idle (front corner damage)
PHASE 1: Chassis Work
- Duplicolor Anti-Corrosion Anti-Rust Sound Dampening painted the entire undercarriage and wheel wells; did the same for the entire cabin area and added Fatmat (rival of Dynamat but cheaper) for the main parts of the cabin (I am an audiophile)
-New front wheel bearings
-Refurbished and Rebuilt Calipers, painted, new pads! New shims, stainless steel lines installed
-Extended Studs Installed
-Megan Coilovers Installed
-Engine Bay scuffed/primed/painted/cleared
-Door Jambs/Hatch Jambs/Fuel Tank Jamb scuffed/primed/painted/cleared
-My old Doors/Hatch Installed
-Shell came with body harness so I left that intact
-Ran battery bin relocation 12V wire 4 Gauge
-Ran Front Body Harness to OEM positions
-Installed Carpet/Dash/Seats/Blower/Heater Core/Interior Panels/Door Panels/Pedal Assemblies/and the rest of the interior (ran dash/instrument harness prior to installing dash
-Replaced both exterior door handles with aluminum handles
-Installed diff and axles
-Cleaned/Rhinolined Installed Fuel Tank/Neck/Straps
-Tested Fuel pump and it worked (never measured fuel pressure just tested to see if it would turn on..so keep this in mind)
-Relocated Fuel Filter to Engine Compartment on fuel feed line
-Installed Taillights/Sidemarkers/Peripheral Light Housings
-Installed Catback Exhaust (supported by hangers)
-Installed Bonnet
-Plugged in ECU
-Installed Head unit
-Installed Optima Yellow Top to Bin & installed 4 Gauge ground wire to chassis
-Installed brand new ignition key set/switch combo
-Tested Power Windows/Radio/Lights - ALL worked EXCEPT for turning signals (this steers me towards ignition circuit I heard they are linked)
PHASE 2: Motor Work
-Now I figured time to start the work on the motor; opted NOT to do an internal rebuild as the motor came out running (I turned off the car the last time it ran) and also did a compression test with 90-98 on all faces by manually turning crank pulley)
-Deleted Air Pump and Installed Banzai Racing Idler pulley; figment was a little off so grinded down the bottom side of the coolant neck to give me about 3mm more clearance. Turned crank pulley manually: no wobble good tension.
-Did the rich man's Non-Sequential Mod, welded flaps open, ported internal wastegate a smidge, deleted vacuum lines down to 5 lines (vacuum capped all open nipples), removed all solenoids and preemptively installed resistors to each solenoid harness and a relay for the EGR harness
-Block off plates for AWS? (Forgot what's it's called), Air Pump, EGR, essentially everything except for the OMP block off plate (don't feel like premixing just yet)
- Installed new Spark Plugs with antiseize (forgot which ones but its the ones you guys all recommend on here), 10mm Magnacore Wires
-Dropped Motor/Trans simultaneously intact, installed new master/slave clutch cylinders with a stainless steel clutch line bypassing OEM dampener and hardline installed ABS unit, bled brakes/clutch
-Installed Fuel Lines (I may have installed backwards, but went according to diagram on here, and ran ventilation line to atmosphere (with filter valve) by the igniter
-Installed all coolant lines: to and from radiator, heater core in/out, and bypassed throttle body coolant lines and plugged nipples.
-Got an oil cooler off a coworker's Viper SRT-10 (Setrab looks pretty big think its a wide 19 row); ran NPT to 10AN fittings and respective adapters on block side and installed feed/return lines for oil cooler.
-Topped off coolant/oil (haven't done trans/diff fluid yet)
-Installed MAP sensor/O2 Sensor to DP and plugged in respective harnesses
-Installed Driveshaft
-Triple Checked & Torqued down every bolt I could find
-Installed Banzai Pulley Kit
-Installed Crank/Alt/Water Pump/Air Pump Idler Belt
PHASE 3: Motor Start Attempt
-Preemptively deflooded by pulling Fuel Relay); 10 second crank sets with 1 minute stop intervals in between
-Filled fuel tank with about 4 gallons of fresh 93 octane
-Hooked up Jumper Pack and attempted to start; crank but no start condition.
NOTE: did this
PHASE 4: Diagnostics
-Noticed that turn signals didn't work so checked the FSM; manual states turn signals and dash idiot lights are linked to ignition circuit; tested for voltage coming out of B/W wire from ignition switch: no voltage
-Noticed fuel pump was pretty quiet despite having been tested out of the car; did not hear relay click a priming sound (I remember there being a half second whine as the lines pressurize
-Wasnt sure if vehicle would crank without ECU, unplugged ECU and the vehicle still cranked; so added this as probable cause and ordered another 93 N3A1 (FED MT) from a known running car (or so they say), hasn't arrived yet, so haven't tested yet.
WHAT I HAVE TRIED:
-Manually bypassing fuel pump relay and running test leads from fuel pump wires R/W & B to constant hot 12V sources and Chassis GND
-Manually bypassing ignition switch and running test leads from B/W wire to constant hot 12V source.
-Opened up ECU to check for blown/leaking capacitors/resistors, cold solders, scorch marks: NOTHING APPARENT. Tested All 3 ECU grounds and came out good (I know there's a 4th one but those go to sensors so didn't test), proceeded to plug back in but still decided to not cancel pending arrival of N3A1 ECU.
WHAT IT DID:
-When turning to Ignition 2/On position, idiot lights now worked, turn signals worked, so tried to start: nothing. Jump Pack ran out of juice so I called it a day.
MY DIAGNOSIS:
-Failing/Dead Igniter
-Failing/Dead Coil Packs
-Foiled Spark Plugs (from me trying to start so many times)
-Weak/Failing Walbro Fuel Pump (its so quiet)
-Replacing ECU with more forgiving 93 FED MT N3A1 ECU
WHAT I NEED HELP WITH:
-I would like to get power to my B/W wire from the ignition switch the proper way; I see voltage coming in from the G/R, B, and one other wire strong but nothing goes out the B/W from the ignition switch
-I would like to get the car started (it's been 18 months of me working on this car in my spare time lol), if I have overlooked anything or if anyone has any advice or has experienced a similar issue, if I'm skipping a step or doing something wrong, please tell me!
-If you are near me, I'd love some assistance and moral support (losing hope haha): free food and beer on me and my eternal gratitude: we could barter services or something. If you're interested check out my job's work at:
www.Instagram.com/f3auto
Thanks in advance and I appreciate you all taking time out of your day to read this; regardless if you can offer input or not I hope this thread will eventually help a lot of other members and lurkers (like myself) to overcome my dilemma.
Cordially,
Vinh Khong (Knight 1_FD3S)
If you'd like to contact me directly you can reach me via phone/text at 703.855.0065 or e-mail at vinhkhong@f3autodetailing.com
P.S. I may have forgotten some things and will update as I try new things or remember something I may have tried, I don't usually create threads so please Mods and Admins move it to the right place if I messed up.
Attached are photos of the build thus far! Exciting yay!
I've been a member for awhile now; plundering the plethora of information and knowledge so graciously shared by every contributing member on this forum for years: thank you for all of your help, direct or indirect. But I digress...
First of all, I'd like to give a big shout out to Fritz_Flynn for the shell and misc. parts and Bstarr for some other parts as well. You guys are great!
So here is where we stand in chronological order (WARNING: LONG POST):
-Purchased 93 FD Rolling Shell with wheels, manual rack, headlights, hatch, doors, subframes (both)
-Saved a bunch of parts from my last build (94 FD wrecked unfortunately in 2012 but salvaged as much as I could prior to getting rid of the shell) Retrieved Megan coilovers, nearly full interior, diff, driveshaft, trans, motor/body/dash/instrument, engine harnesses, better condition doors/hatch, igniter, fluidyne radiator, Greddy 2-Row FMIC & Piping, gauge cluster, R1 Seats, CF Bonnet, and taillights from my parent's house where I had been storing everything. Most things were in boxes in the basement, the motor/drive train/trans were left outside under the deck under a tarp on top of a concrete slab. I live in Northern Virginia so the weather throughout the past few years has been extremely variable, high humidity, high heat, rain, snow, dry cold, etc. I work at an automotive performance shop in Chantilly, F3 Auto and the vehicle has been in this shop throughout the entire build: occasionally pushed out to the parking lot when we have a lot of clients (customers first! Lol)
Notes: motor and all the parts I had stored came out of my FD running. When I got in the accident, my FD held a smooth idle (front corner damage)
PHASE 1: Chassis Work
- Duplicolor Anti-Corrosion Anti-Rust Sound Dampening painted the entire undercarriage and wheel wells; did the same for the entire cabin area and added Fatmat (rival of Dynamat but cheaper) for the main parts of the cabin (I am an audiophile)
-New front wheel bearings
-Refurbished and Rebuilt Calipers, painted, new pads! New shims, stainless steel lines installed
-Extended Studs Installed
-Megan Coilovers Installed
-Engine Bay scuffed/primed/painted/cleared
-Door Jambs/Hatch Jambs/Fuel Tank Jamb scuffed/primed/painted/cleared
-My old Doors/Hatch Installed
-Shell came with body harness so I left that intact
-Ran battery bin relocation 12V wire 4 Gauge
-Ran Front Body Harness to OEM positions
-Installed Carpet/Dash/Seats/Blower/Heater Core/Interior Panels/Door Panels/Pedal Assemblies/and the rest of the interior (ran dash/instrument harness prior to installing dash
-Replaced both exterior door handles with aluminum handles
-Installed diff and axles
-Cleaned/Rhinolined Installed Fuel Tank/Neck/Straps
-Tested Fuel pump and it worked (never measured fuel pressure just tested to see if it would turn on..so keep this in mind)
-Relocated Fuel Filter to Engine Compartment on fuel feed line
-Installed Taillights/Sidemarkers/Peripheral Light Housings
-Installed Catback Exhaust (supported by hangers)
-Installed Bonnet
-Plugged in ECU
-Installed Head unit
-Installed Optima Yellow Top to Bin & installed 4 Gauge ground wire to chassis
-Installed brand new ignition key set/switch combo
-Tested Power Windows/Radio/Lights - ALL worked EXCEPT for turning signals (this steers me towards ignition circuit I heard they are linked)
PHASE 2: Motor Work
-Now I figured time to start the work on the motor; opted NOT to do an internal rebuild as the motor came out running (I turned off the car the last time it ran) and also did a compression test with 90-98 on all faces by manually turning crank pulley)
-Deleted Air Pump and Installed Banzai Racing Idler pulley; figment was a little off so grinded down the bottom side of the coolant neck to give me about 3mm more clearance. Turned crank pulley manually: no wobble good tension.
-Did the rich man's Non-Sequential Mod, welded flaps open, ported internal wastegate a smidge, deleted vacuum lines down to 5 lines (vacuum capped all open nipples), removed all solenoids and preemptively installed resistors to each solenoid harness and a relay for the EGR harness
-Block off plates for AWS? (Forgot what's it's called), Air Pump, EGR, essentially everything except for the OMP block off plate (don't feel like premixing just yet)
- Installed new Spark Plugs with antiseize (forgot which ones but its the ones you guys all recommend on here), 10mm Magnacore Wires
-Dropped Motor/Trans simultaneously intact, installed new master/slave clutch cylinders with a stainless steel clutch line bypassing OEM dampener and hardline installed ABS unit, bled brakes/clutch
-Installed Fuel Lines (I may have installed backwards, but went according to diagram on here, and ran ventilation line to atmosphere (with filter valve) by the igniter
-Installed all coolant lines: to and from radiator, heater core in/out, and bypassed throttle body coolant lines and plugged nipples.
-Got an oil cooler off a coworker's Viper SRT-10 (Setrab looks pretty big think its a wide 19 row); ran NPT to 10AN fittings and respective adapters on block side and installed feed/return lines for oil cooler.
-Topped off coolant/oil (haven't done trans/diff fluid yet)
-Installed MAP sensor/O2 Sensor to DP and plugged in respective harnesses
-Installed Driveshaft
-Triple Checked & Torqued down every bolt I could find
-Installed Banzai Pulley Kit
-Installed Crank/Alt/Water Pump/Air Pump Idler Belt
PHASE 3: Motor Start Attempt
-Preemptively deflooded by pulling Fuel Relay); 10 second crank sets with 1 minute stop intervals in between
-Filled fuel tank with about 4 gallons of fresh 93 octane
-Hooked up Jumper Pack and attempted to start; crank but no start condition.
NOTE: did this
PHASE 4: Diagnostics
-Noticed that turn signals didn't work so checked the FSM; manual states turn signals and dash idiot lights are linked to ignition circuit; tested for voltage coming out of B/W wire from ignition switch: no voltage
-Noticed fuel pump was pretty quiet despite having been tested out of the car; did not hear relay click a priming sound (I remember there being a half second whine as the lines pressurize
-Wasnt sure if vehicle would crank without ECU, unplugged ECU and the vehicle still cranked; so added this as probable cause and ordered another 93 N3A1 (FED MT) from a known running car (or so they say), hasn't arrived yet, so haven't tested yet.
WHAT I HAVE TRIED:
-Manually bypassing fuel pump relay and running test leads from fuel pump wires R/W & B to constant hot 12V sources and Chassis GND
-Manually bypassing ignition switch and running test leads from B/W wire to constant hot 12V source.
-Opened up ECU to check for blown/leaking capacitors/resistors, cold solders, scorch marks: NOTHING APPARENT. Tested All 3 ECU grounds and came out good (I know there's a 4th one but those go to sensors so didn't test), proceeded to plug back in but still decided to not cancel pending arrival of N3A1 ECU.
WHAT IT DID:
-When turning to Ignition 2/On position, idiot lights now worked, turn signals worked, so tried to start: nothing. Jump Pack ran out of juice so I called it a day.
MY DIAGNOSIS:
-Failing/Dead Igniter
-Failing/Dead Coil Packs
-Foiled Spark Plugs (from me trying to start so many times)
-Weak/Failing Walbro Fuel Pump (its so quiet)
-Replacing ECU with more forgiving 93 FED MT N3A1 ECU
WHAT I NEED HELP WITH:
-I would like to get power to my B/W wire from the ignition switch the proper way; I see voltage coming in from the G/R, B, and one other wire strong but nothing goes out the B/W from the ignition switch
-I would like to get the car started (it's been 18 months of me working on this car in my spare time lol), if I have overlooked anything or if anyone has any advice or has experienced a similar issue, if I'm skipping a step or doing something wrong, please tell me!
-If you are near me, I'd love some assistance and moral support (losing hope haha): free food and beer on me and my eternal gratitude: we could barter services or something. If you're interested check out my job's work at:
www.Instagram.com/f3auto
Thanks in advance and I appreciate you all taking time out of your day to read this; regardless if you can offer input or not I hope this thread will eventually help a lot of other members and lurkers (like myself) to overcome my dilemma.
Cordially,
Vinh Khong (Knight 1_FD3S)
If you'd like to contact me directly you can reach me via phone/text at 703.855.0065 or e-mail at vinhkhong@f3autodetailing.com
P.S. I may have forgotten some things and will update as I try new things or remember something I may have tried, I don't usually create threads so please Mods and Admins move it to the right place if I messed up.
Attached are photos of the build thus far! Exciting yay!
Last edited by Knight1_FD3S; 10-18-16 at 01:35 PM. Reason: Forgot info
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One thing that you should do is totally clear any excess gas out of the engine by deflooding the engine.
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Vin that's a ton of work this should be a really nice car when finished
So you have fuel pressure?
You have good compression?
You have spark?
It turns over?
The injectors are opening/working?
If you have the above things it should at least back fire LOL
So you have fuel pressure?
You have good compression?
You have spark?
It turns over?
The injectors are opening/working?
If you have the above things it should at least back fire LOL