rear sway bar??
08-04-08, 07:23 PM
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rear sway bar??
i have a basically stock suspension s4 tII and i was told by a pro that i will leave unamed that it would help out alot if i took out the rear swaybar??? is this true or is it BS? please save the your an idiot comments cause i could care less what you think about my knowledge of suspension setups i just need to know if its a good idea and why? or why not? Thanks in advance
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The sway bar stops the car from "rolling" in a turn. Stopping the car from leaning to the left on a right hand corner and right on a left hand corner.
to me, there is no benefit, except for uloading 1 of your rear wheels. But this isnt a benefit in all actuality. You loose forward thrust from that wheel, and make the car that much more unstable and uncontrollable.
to me, there is no benefit, except for uloading 1 of your rear wheels. But this isnt a benefit in all actuality. You loose forward thrust from that wheel, and make the car that much more unstable and uncontrollable.
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Keep it on. You have enough initial power depending on whether or not your car is running correctly that the rear sway bar is needed to have precise control on your car in at faster cornering speeds. If you were NA, or your buddy has a NA 240 removing the rear sway is a decent idea because you can start off a drift more easily due to the extra weight being moved to the direction you are trying to drift so it kind of pulls you around, but you will not have as much control when you are running tight consecutive corners.
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The sway bar stops the car from "rolling" in a turn. Stopping the car from leaning to the left on a right hand corner and right on a left hand corner.
to me, there is no benefit, except for uloading 1 of your rear wheels. But this isnt a benefit in all actuality. You loose forward thrust from that wheel, and make the car that much more unstable and uncontrollable.
to me, there is no benefit, except for uloading 1 of your rear wheels. But this isnt a benefit in all actuality. You loose forward thrust from that wheel, and make the car that much more unstable and uncontrollable.
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Keep it on. You have enough initial power depending on whether or not your car is running correctly that the rear sway bar is needed to have precise control on your car in at faster cornering speeds. If you were NA, or your buddy has a NA 240 removing the rear sway is a decent idea because you can start off a drift more easily due to the extra weight being moved to the direction you are trying to drift so it kind of pulls you around, but you will not have as much control when you are running tight consecutive corners.
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Just remember most things in drifting can swing either way depending on your power output and weight. This is why i start out most of my posts here NA or turbo, it gives me a broad generalization to work with so I can answer your questions better.
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I would hate to ride in some of your guys cars lol. TO run without front or rear bars on my old set up I would just rock all over the place and it was a bitch t control while sliding, but was easy to get started.
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I'd only advise doing it if you were driving a low powered car in which case its handy to have the momentum of the shifting weight moving around to keep you drifting. On the other hand if you don't actually need it then it feels pretty awful and makes the car unpreditable and hard to control because it will 'spring' from one side to the other as you transition from drifting one way to drifting the other way. Its the same if you have standard shocks on your car that are too high and soft for track/drift work. Having all the weight moving around is a good teacher so its often good to learn in a low powered car that you really have to throw around but once you get past this stage and understand what the car is doing you want to really tighten things down.
08-07-08, 01:01 PM
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yeah there a few of them that swear that is the business..... I think they are doing it just to see who will try it for thier own entertainment. I find it hard to make into a serious topic of discussion.
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I'm going to leave it a mystery.
I'll just say that it is personal preference and it also goes hand-in-hand with your spring rates, power output, tire size, and chassis stiffness.
Also, I'll say that I disagree with Ranzo.
This reminds me of a story about a US kart team competing in SKUSA 125cc shifter class buying the Italian's championship winning Birel set up for like $1,000,000. They wanted to compare Beggio's kart and they tricks he did so that they could do that for their driver in the USA and "learn the secrets". Well the joke was on them, they got the stuff and it was all medium medium medium medium stock stock stock. They thought the Italians pulled a fast one and they were PISSED. Well, guess how Beggio wins his championships? He is the best driver.
Point is, what works awesome for some people might not be awesome for you.
I'll just say that it is personal preference and it also goes hand-in-hand with your spring rates, power output, tire size, and chassis stiffness.
Also, I'll say that I disagree with Ranzo.
This reminds me of a story about a US kart team competing in SKUSA 125cc shifter class buying the Italian's championship winning Birel set up for like $1,000,000. They wanted to compare Beggio's kart and they tricks he did so that they could do that for their driver in the USA and "learn the secrets". Well the joke was on them, they got the stuff and it was all medium medium medium medium stock stock stock. They thought the Italians pulled a fast one and they were PISSED. Well, guess how Beggio wins his championships? He is the best driver.
Point is, what works awesome for some people might not be awesome for you.
