T-ReX-8: Fugly?
11-06-13, 11:10 AM
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T-ReX-8: Fugly?
Wanted to Buy: BINS
The Sale Post: https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati.../#post11614272
ISSUE: Seller listed prices as OBO and countered with 3% paypal fee on top of it.
End result: PM from Seller
I asked why he stated an item is considered obo and yet adds an additional 3% fee which is against forum rules. Just wanted advice from the forum if im wrong in the matter? Did I go to low when offering a obo?
The Sale Post: https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati.../#post11614272
ISSUE: Seller listed prices as OBO and countered with 3% paypal fee on top of it.
End result: PM from Seller
Masculinity? This is an RX7 forum.. The average guys size on here doesn't lead to many people needing to feel like an alpha. My response was a simple rebuttal just alert you to the simple fact that you're not educating anyone onto the rules and mannerisms from around here when I have been around longer than you have.
It was a response to your lowball by hiballing. Its what I do when ever someone offers a ridiculously low price is I respond with a higher one.
Parts are located in CA, you live in FL and you then want to lower the price further. 99% of people on the board wouldn't even ship bins and dealing with people like this is one of the reasons but the main reason is the price. Most would have ignored you or gave you a snide remark. I subliminally responded to give another line of negotiation that would have led to you realizing you couldn't afford my price or coming to a more reasonable price to agree with. Simple.
And yes problematic because you're one of those people who feel they hold some sort of place in life that allocates them the privilege of voicing their opinions to mas as fact. As if you are above the community in aspect to give me a tongue lashing as to my rebuttal to your offer.
I'm not the one.
So to explain it to you because it obviously went over your head is, you went low, I went high. An intelligent person would have rutted with a proper price. A Problematic self entitled extrovert such as yourself responds with the bs you defecated into my PM box. And That good sir is why I felt the "need" to reply to let you know that you're not telling me any "rules" I don't know or offering me any advice that valuable. You're simply rambling.
So take this as a bit of constructive critisim; Get off your high orse. You aren't always the most intelligent person in the conversation and your need to educate people on life lessons, forum rules or sales expertice might come off as smug to some and will result in someone telling you "fk off troll" But thats not my style, instead I will alert you once again to the fact that I know the forums rules. y price is in fact obo but that is within reason. When people lowall me, instead of being an ******* to them like most are or ignoring them I offer the the original price again in a manner that allows them to use their brain to understand, "I'm a low balling douche bag, maybe I should rethink my price" Not offer a guy $50 less to ship the biggest piece of the interior across the entire country. Be considerate.
but alas we are only bickering. I could give 2 sh*ts of your opinion on the matter, and I am sure you could care less about mine. So I am sure you will have some unwitty response, yet again suggesting advice that you yourself should take.
It was a response to your lowball by hiballing. Its what I do when ever someone offers a ridiculously low price is I respond with a higher one.
Parts are located in CA, you live in FL and you then want to lower the price further. 99% of people on the board wouldn't even ship bins and dealing with people like this is one of the reasons but the main reason is the price. Most would have ignored you or gave you a snide remark. I subliminally responded to give another line of negotiation that would have led to you realizing you couldn't afford my price or coming to a more reasonable price to agree with. Simple.
And yes problematic because you're one of those people who feel they hold some sort of place in life that allocates them the privilege of voicing their opinions to mas as fact. As if you are above the community in aspect to give me a tongue lashing as to my rebuttal to your offer.
I'm not the one.
So to explain it to you because it obviously went over your head is, you went low, I went high. An intelligent person would have rutted with a proper price. A Problematic self entitled extrovert such as yourself responds with the bs you defecated into my PM box. And That good sir is why I felt the "need" to reply to let you know that you're not telling me any "rules" I don't know or offering me any advice that valuable. You're simply rambling.
So take this as a bit of constructive critisim; Get off your high orse. You aren't always the most intelligent person in the conversation and your need to educate people on life lessons, forum rules or sales expertice might come off as smug to some and will result in someone telling you "fk off troll" But thats not my style, instead I will alert you once again to the fact that I know the forums rules. y price is in fact obo but that is within reason. When people lowall me, instead of being an ******* to them like most are or ignoring them I offer the the original price again in a manner that allows them to use their brain to understand, "I'm a low balling douche bag, maybe I should rethink my price" Not offer a guy $50 less to ship the biggest piece of the interior across the entire country. Be considerate.
but alas we are only bickering. I could give 2 sh*ts of your opinion on the matter, and I am sure you could care less about mine. So I am sure you will have some unwitty response, yet again suggesting advice that you yourself should take.
I asked why he stated an item is considered obo and yet adds an additional 3% fee which is against forum rules. Just wanted advice from the forum if im wrong in the matter? Did I go to low when offering a obo?
11-07-13, 03:42 AM
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So after rogrx7 low balled me I responded with:
All the way to florida. No can do brotha. You're about as far from me as it gets meaning I'll be paying over $100 to ship it.
I was on a small break at work and didn't have much time to continue the convo and as many of us who have sold parts on here know that a MAJORITY of people are tire kickers anyways or lowballers but I gave it a second go just in case he was honestly interested and to restart the negotiations fresh I told him I could get the item out to him asap if he was indeed interested and mentioned the PP fees as a means to let him know that at the price listed (fees included) minus his lowball offer plus the increased fees to ship that distance means that the deal isn't good for me BUT I'll do it anyways if we can come to a better number.
Now usually when I am conversing with adults and buyers truly interested they will then negotiate a price. Little did he know that if he would have simply suggested a simple rebuttal within a more reasonable range that showed that he understood the burden of the task yet conveyed to me that his financial situation might not have warranted that price I WOULD HAVE TAKEN IT.
I felt like I was talking to one of those know it all teenagers who nit picks things to find any area to argue. Rather than work towards a solution they highlight a problem:
The price is obo, but your attaching a 3% fee to the cost. I dont understand this business tactic.
Uh? "Business tactic.." I am not a business. We are 2 members of a close knit community supposedly here trying to help each other out.. Open your eyes and see beyond your own nose.
I then say:
So at this point red flags are in the air that rogrx7 is one of those problematic buyers. A quick look at his own profile page and I can tell he is the whiney kind of member who tends to lowball a lot and unlike the people in his comment section on his page I'm not going to chase him around.
I had hopped I made my intentions clear at this point that my offer was simply meant to alert the buyer as to the many cost occurred from higher shipping rates and fees that I would incur in this deal. Regardless I held out my hand as a peace offer to him. At this point I had wasted more time responding to him about absolutely nothing, most would have ignored the troll like tendencies but I gave it one more shot.
Even after this here is his response:
Leveraging fees?? Best offer? Can anyone see where the OP actually even once ATTEMPTED to give another offer? We were stuck at stage one. His offer, my counter to it being a lowball and awaiting him to offer up a just price. It was clear that rogrx7 was a troll and had zero intentions of buying yet felt the need to further waste my time and made the mistake of attempting to brow beat a sell who was patient enough to respond to his jackassery not once, not twice but THREE TIMES with out him having yet given a reasonable counter offer.
So in response to him telling me I was breaking PayPal rules I replied:
And right before I sent the final message the OP posted in the opener this was his response:
Guess he proved my point that I called him on being a problematic buyer. Also there is no way I could have handled that any better. No cursing, or name calling. I simply wished you a good day sir.
Its sad you missed the point and all of the dirty laundry had to be aired out but after this thread is deleted you should probably take a good hard look in the mirror and tell yourself that the world doesn't revolve around you and that other people with pinions and their own reasoning live in it.
This isn't the rogr show.
Originally Posted by T-ReX-8
All the way to florida. No can do brotha. You're about as far from me as it gets meaning I'll be paying over $100 to ship it.
I was on a small break at work and didn't have much time to continue the convo and as many of us who have sold parts on here know that a MAJORITY of people are tire kickers anyways or lowballers but I gave it a second go just in case he was honestly interested and to restart the negotiations fresh I told him I could get the item out to him asap if he was indeed interested and mentioned the PP fees as a means to let him know that at the price listed (fees included) minus his lowball offer plus the increased fees to ship that distance means that the deal isn't good for me BUT I'll do it anyways if we can come to a better number.
Now usually when I am conversing with adults and buyers truly interested they will then negotiate a price. Little did he know that if he would have simply suggested a simple rebuttal within a more reasonable range that showed that he understood the burden of the task yet conveyed to me that his financial situation might not have warranted that price I WOULD HAVE TAKEN IT.
I felt like I was talking to one of those know it all teenagers who nit picks things to find any area to argue. Rather than work towards a solution they highlight a problem:
Originally Posted by rogrx7
The price is obo, but your attaching a 3% fee to the cost. I dont understand this business tactic.
Uh? "Business tactic.." I am not a business. We are 2 members of a close knit community supposedly here trying to help each other out.. Open your eyes and see beyond your own nose.
I then say:
Originally Posted by T-ReX-8
Its ones choice as to the method of payment they use.. There is GooglePay, Square, Paypal, Cash etc etc.. Paypal is the one with the higher fee. I can cut the fee for a buyer who is genuine about the purchase. Thats all part of the obo.
If the 3% fee is the issue then that can be dealt with.
Its not really a business tactic at all. And yes all prices are obo but there's a starting point you begin from.
If the 3% fee is the issue then that can be dealt with.
Its not really a business tactic at all. And yes all prices are obo but there's a starting point you begin from.
So at this point red flags are in the air that rogrx7 is one of those problematic buyers. A quick look at his own profile page and I can tell he is the whiney kind of member who tends to lowball a lot and unlike the people in his comment section on his page I'm not going to chase him around.
I had hopped I made my intentions clear at this point that my offer was simply meant to alert the buyer as to the many cost occurred from higher shipping rates and fees that I would incur in this deal. Regardless I held out my hand as a peace offer to him. At this point I had wasted more time responding to him about absolutely nothing, most would have ignored the troll like tendencies but I gave it one more shot.
Even after this here is his response:
Originally Posted by rogrx7
Im sorry but leveraging the paypal fee which is not allowed by the forum nor paypal anyway as "or best offer" is NOT obo. You are simply adding a 'fee' to what ever form of payment your receiving. Thanks you though im going to have to decline that offer.
Leveraging fees?? Best offer? Can anyone see where the OP actually even once ATTEMPTED to give another offer? We were stuck at stage one. His offer, my counter to it being a lowball and awaiting him to offer up a just price. It was clear that rogrx7 was a troll and had zero intentions of buying yet felt the need to further waste my time and made the mistake of attempting to brow beat a sell who was patient enough to respond to his jackassery not once, not twice but THREE TIMES with out him having yet given a reasonable counter offer.
So in response to him telling me I was breaking PayPal rules I replied:
Originally Posted by T-ReX-8
Sorry but I'm not a business or enterprise. Under that guise I can very well require a surcharge for the fee. You seem to be mistaken with your qualifications of definition.
You seem like a problematic buyer in the first place not to mention the cost for me to ship such a large item to Florida and as such I happily accept your decline.
You low balled the price from the get go and I simply brought it back to just area to negotiate with. It was not the final price nor were negotiations finished but the bins are fine where they sit and offers for them come regularly but I have declined most hoping for a local pickup. Which also is my right to do so.
I don't need a reminder on forum rules. I've been around these 2 RX7 and RX8 boards longer than you have...
Thanks for your interest and good luck down the road.
You seem like a problematic buyer in the first place not to mention the cost for me to ship such a large item to Florida and as such I happily accept your decline.
You low balled the price from the get go and I simply brought it back to just area to negotiate with. It was not the final price nor were negotiations finished but the bins are fine where they sit and offers for them come regularly but I have declined most hoping for a local pickup. Which also is my right to do so.
I don't need a reminder on forum rules. I've been around these 2 RX7 and RX8 boards longer than you have...
Thanks for your interest and good luck down the road.
And right before I sent the final message the OP posted in the opener this was his response:
Originally Posted by rogrx7
Ummmm OK? Im not to sure why you couldn't offer the decline as is and leave it as that. Not to sure if its based on some masculinity of ego or what not, but your in the wrong.
Problematic
Problematic, would be me posting in your thread and making a scene or otherwise. Whats lacking is your communication skills. You post "OBO" and raised the price, You offer "OBO' and complained of low balling which is relative to each individual and you could have simply negotiated up from my offer.
Than without knowing me or who I am for some odd reason you interject about forum longevity? You have no clue how long i've been here, but to help you.
Sale rules
(7) DO NOT ask a buyer to pay PayPal fees, handling fees, or any other surcharges.
But, I think you know this and did not convey this in your post. This is also against paypal policy.
My decline is not based on price, but because of your poor way of handling the situation. Take it as constructive criticism or an insult... but on your tread YOU NEED TO CONVEY what you want and not
"HI, im shipping something and the price is negotiable." ++PM++ "Oh yeah, the price isnt negotiable, im going to add 3% and I dont want to ship it."
Problematic
Problematic, would be me posting in your thread and making a scene or otherwise. Whats lacking is your communication skills. You post "OBO" and raised the price, You offer "OBO' and complained of low balling which is relative to each individual and you could have simply negotiated up from my offer. Than without knowing me or who I am for some odd reason you interject about forum longevity? You have no clue how long i've been here, but to help you.
Sale rules
(7) DO NOT ask a buyer to pay PayPal fees, handling fees, or any other surcharges.
But, I think you know this and did not convey this in your post. This is also against paypal policy.
My decline is not based on price, but because of your poor way of handling the situation. Take it as constructive criticism or an insult... but on your tread YOU NEED TO CONVEY what you want and not
"HI, im shipping something and the price is negotiable." ++PM++ "Oh yeah, the price isnt negotiable, im going to add 3% and I dont want to ship it."
Guess he proved my point that I called him on being a problematic buyer. Also there is no way I could have handled that any better. No cursing, or name calling. I simply wished you a good day sir.
Its sad you missed the point and all of the dirty laundry had to be aired out but after this thread is deleted you should probably take a good hard look in the mirror and tell yourself that the world doesn't revolve around you and that other people with pinions and their own reasoning live in it.
This isn't the rogr show.
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11-07-13, 07:48 AM
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wow.....ok, my turn.
First, I see nothing here where the OP's actual offer was posted here. There's no point in asking what we think about the offer if the offer isnt even known to us.
Second, to the seller, you are WAY out of line here. You list items for sale as OBO, you need to control yourself and be prepared to deal with offers you do not wish to accept. There's no need to be offensive about it. There's no need to expect that you can charge 3% in paypal fees simply because you are "not a business"--the rules of this forum state that NO such fees are allowed, under ANY circumstances. Period, end of story. Next time I see you try to charge such a fee, it will be the last time you sell anything on this forum.
Third, to the seller, you really need to wise up and understand that you cannot expect everyone to act in your preferred manner. You talk about what stage you were in, and "what an intelligent person would do"....sorry, that doesnt cut it. You listed "OBO". He made an offer. A simple yes or no would suffice. And at that point, he is under NO OBLIGATION to continue in the way that you would. Stop pretending otherwise. He offered a price. Perhaps that is all that he has available right now, and is not going to negotiate back and forth? Your FS thread did not say "make an offer and we will negotiate back and forth", it said "OBO". You really need to get over yourself and stop acting like your way is the only "intelligent" way. When someone tells me to make an offer, I make an offer. If they accept it, great. But you then counter with a higher number than you originally listed?
How in the hell are you going to fault him for "not negotiating like an intelligent person", when your initial response was both against the forum rules and higher than your original price? Gotta be honest here, if you had done that to me, I would have simply told you to get bent and have a nice day with it. But you insult him for "not negotiating" at that point? Why would anyone wish to negotiate with you when you pull a dick move like that?
So you didnt like his price. What did he offer you? Last time I checked, "negotiating" would have been you making a LEGITIMATE counter-offer, not jerking his chain because you chose to get all butt-hurt when he "low-balled" you. But I promise you this--you act like this in a sale again, and it will be your last on here. And "It's what I do" doesnt fly with me. Change what you do or find a new forum to sell things on.
This isnt the t-rex-8 show.
First, I see nothing here where the OP's actual offer was posted here. There's no point in asking what we think about the offer if the offer isnt even known to us.
Second, to the seller, you are WAY out of line here. You list items for sale as OBO, you need to control yourself and be prepared to deal with offers you do not wish to accept. There's no need to be offensive about it. There's no need to expect that you can charge 3% in paypal fees simply because you are "not a business"--the rules of this forum state that NO such fees are allowed, under ANY circumstances. Period, end of story. Next time I see you try to charge such a fee, it will be the last time you sell anything on this forum.
Third, to the seller, you really need to wise up and understand that you cannot expect everyone to act in your preferred manner. You talk about what stage you were in, and "what an intelligent person would do"....sorry, that doesnt cut it. You listed "OBO". He made an offer. A simple yes or no would suffice. And at that point, he is under NO OBLIGATION to continue in the way that you would. Stop pretending otherwise. He offered a price. Perhaps that is all that he has available right now, and is not going to negotiate back and forth? Your FS thread did not say "make an offer and we will negotiate back and forth", it said "OBO". You really need to get over yourself and stop acting like your way is the only "intelligent" way. When someone tells me to make an offer, I make an offer. If they accept it, great. But you then counter with a higher number than you originally listed?
It was a response to your lowball by hiballing. Its what I do when ever someone offers a ridiculously low price is I respond with a higher one.
So you didnt like his price. What did he offer you? Last time I checked, "negotiating" would have been you making a LEGITIMATE counter-offer, not jerking his chain because you chose to get all butt-hurt when he "low-balled" you. But I promise you this--you act like this in a sale again, and it will be your last on here. And "It's what I do" doesnt fly with me. Change what you do or find a new forum to sell things on.
This isnt the t-rex-8 show.
11-12-13, 05:05 PM
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So at this point red flags are in the air that rogrx7 is one of those problematic buyers.
I posted my experience in the classified members feedback of my situation and got flak and that's ok. You have 43 post and 1 feedback so in a OBO situation I gave you my offer. I was wasn't looking for a winner outcome here, but you got very emotional about it after I declined your HIBALL.
BTW I offered $300 as it was going to be shipped greyhound
Thank you rx7roller02, my intent is not to get T-ReX-8 in trouble. But he straight out said he didn't want to ship the item anyway and said he declined multiple members. So why go thru all the trouble and I do not incur my paypal fees upon others. Ever.
A quick look at his own profile page and I can tell he is the whiney kind of member who tends to lowball a lot and unlike the people in his comment section
So I am sure you will have some unwitty response, yet again suggesting advice that you yourself should take.
Let me know if you want to sell those bins still
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