Gringo Grande

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Unfortunately the comparison you are trying to make is not taking into account the following:

Rotary Works is currently a niche company. They serve one market, specifically the rotary community.

The other companies you are referencing, even Godspeed, make products for MANY other car types.

Using your "logic", let's say that HKS has made as many ill-fitting rotary products as Rotary Works has supposedly made. Under this scenario let's assume no knowledgeable rotary owner ever buys HKS again. Big deal, they continue to make products for other cars and can happily continue on there way with minimal damage to their bottom line.

Rotary Works is serving a niche market and as such need to be EXTRA careful their products and more importantly their CUSTOMER SERVICE goes above and beyond. When you serve a nice market, one bad product can = death of your business. Poor customer service will definitely kills your business.

What we have seen from Rotary Works, which portrayed itself as being specifically for rotary owners to the extent the word rotary is in their name, is deceitful advertising, poor customer service, and products across a range of generation of rotary engine cars that simply do not remotely work or fit as advertised. A brand isn't what the owner thinks it is, a brand is what other people say about your products...and right now what is being said repeatedly isn't too good.

I don't know Rene. His custom fab work may be the best on the planet. I have no experience with this custom fab work and as such can't comment on it. If he genuinely is not associated with Rotary Works in any manner, I feel sorry for the guy. However everything I've seen has pointed to that he is associated with the in some manner but then again I may be absolutely incorrect.

If you want to defend Rene and his custom fabrication and you have first hand knowledge of his work, by all means do so. However do not defend a niche company, targeted specifically at rotary owners, that has consistently delivered poor service and poor products to many owners and then attempt to defend them with a comparison that isn't a comparison at all.

hwnd

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Driving a rotary car or not, if the part doesn't work - spread the word and move on.

There isn't any point in these threads outside of "hey, this part doesn't fit, company will not return" etc. I agree with a lot of whats being said but guys, come on, if it doesn't fit - make note and move on.

We can run them out of business by not buying their parts (we've done it before).
So, let's keep the topic on RW - not the people who RW supports.


Let's get back on track before the thread is shut down and no one knows of their wrong doing.

teddyrx2

iTrader: (33)

Rene your little youtube page says other wise, If you don't own Rotary-works why do you advertise it so much, I mean? There has to be some Logic behind it right? Why are your cars posted on "Rotary-Works" page? Those are your cars right? or you got some other lame bull **** excuse for that too?

2nd Gen Drifter, 93 3rd gen, rx3 drag car, rx7 1g drag car, rx2/616 dail coupe

http://www.youtube.com/ReneMotorSports

Screw your sorry's, you think I care about opening my mouth, and letting people know about my bad experience with a part that I bought from that web site, and many others like myself who also bought from that site, Hell no!!? I'm glad this thread was started..

This isn't like playing the lotto, you either get a good part or you get a lemon, if its meant to fit for the year, make and mod than it should fit...

Stanis

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I purchased RW's intake elbow to put on an FD TB and UIM manifold in my FC. As far as I know, they are the only ones that make the elbows at 90 degree angles rather than ~120 degrees like Greddy or stock FD pipes.


I too had to cut the TB nub to clear the elbow. However, the flat surface DOES NOT leak against the throttle body. I had to stack a few washers on the rear lower stud because the elbow did not allow for the nut to thread all the way down without hitting the side of the elbow. for sealing, for polished bling, for FC fitment, but for cutting the TB & for stacking washers for one of the four mounting bolts.

All in all, I give it a total of 2/3 of a thumb up. I'd still buy it again.

rotorican85

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I got the TB and Intake elbow from RW. i had no issues with elbow fitting the TB. The only issue was the TB fitting the manifold. This was because i am using a cosmo manifold and it has a lower curve that was not sealed by the TB. big deal...i made a thin plate to fit between the TB and manifold and problem solved. Fitment and quality met my expectations.
I have purchased products from HKS and many other higher end companies and fitment, quality, and use on specific vehicle parts wasn't always what they claimed. I guess i am one of the few satisified with their stuff.

RotaryEvolution

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very few parts directly bolt in for various applications, but as stated there are a few RW items that won't even fit basic specific setups that claim they should. like the gilmer kit onto an S5, the water pump bore diameters are different between S4 and S5 yet they only have one kit for the "13B", you simply cannot get any more generic than whomever wrote their descriptors.. how many FD guys bought it to find out they are actually made for early 13B's?

Derex'7

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I have their full exhaust minus the DP. One of the exhaust hangers was way off and the midpipe flange didnt quite match up to my single turbo DP (had to resurface the flange), but for me as I can't speak for others, I view it as "You get what you paid for", so I wasnt the least bit surprised of the fitment issues w/the exhaust. Hey but that's just me. I see it as Having the choice to, lets say buy a body kit from Chaser Aero vs

Oh and so far so good w/their 90mm TB unit for the FD

EvilAreXeven

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I've been to Rene's shop MANY MANY times. He is there 9-5 most every day. I have had him do several custom tasks for my car including: 1) custom SMIC setup; 2) custom hood-latch since my shitty Chaser Hood wouldn't close; 3) custom Y - Single exhaust for my V8; and 4) tig welding for many, many projects.

His work is top-notch. Period. He is one of the nicest people I have met in the rotary community. Despite how busy he gets with project cars, or sponsors laying cars/projects on him last minute (*notice how there is nothing about operating a ROTARY WORKS business in there), he will make time for customers. Most rotary heads I've met in LA also have nothing but good things to say about Rene.

I don't care to embroil myself with all the he said/she said regarding ownership of RotaryWorks because that could go on forever. Youtube videos and sponsorship pages are smoke and mirrors and lend marginal weight to the truth. Here, it seems the company made Rene and his shop the "face" of the business. He designs SOME of their parts, after which they likely ship overseas to be duplicated. I don't even know if he's in charge of their sponsorship page on here, but assuming he is, that doesn't necessarily mean he owns the business. In fact, they could use him to operate the sponsorship page on their behalf because they know 2 ***** about rotaries. These things happen. People can get confused.

But to sit here and essentially type away that if Rotary Works is shitty --> Rene is shitty, is false logic. He already came in here and clarified the extent of his relationship with them; this includes occasionally designing a part and having his cars on their website (clearly for THEIR marketing advantage). I have been to Rene's shop a multitude of times; not ONCE did I see Rene packaging/shipping out "RotaryWorks" products. Never did I see any boxes branded "RotaryWorks" or a storage room full of products ready to be shipped. All he does is work on cars -- almost ALL of the time. These are all direct observations and not some internet hearsay BS.

You can't knock the dude for trying earn a sponsorship on parts. Sponsorships aren't always a unilateral benefit. It's clear that part of Rene's sponsorship includes him making some parts, ocassionaly, to be duplicated and sold by ROTARY WORKS, not by him. Does he have a shitty sponsor? Probably. Should he sever himself from all relations with them? Probably. Is their shitty quality control and party offering indicative of Rene's work? Absolutely not. If you believe otherwise, than you have never been to his shop and seen his work, or you still believe that RotaryWorks = Rene Motorsports.

In short, don't buy RotaryWorks products.
I wouldn't, but that has no effect on my perception of Rene and RMS. Two separate entities with a very limited relationship.

Gringo Grande

iTrader: (97)

Thanks Evil, that is a point I've tried to show I 100% agree with.

I have no experience with Rene's personal fab work. Everyone raves about it. I'd never say anything bad about his personal fab work as I have no experience but it sounds great.

Rotary Works on the other hand. As you said, thumbs down. If he isn't affiliated with them, I feel sorry for the dude.

anderdick88

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Rene's Works Sucks !! I've dealt with him with my 20B .. He basically hacked up my car and I took my car to JRX where the fixed everything and got me some real sponshorship on a bunch of free stuff for my car.. Just dont ever pay his *** any money until the work is done

61620B

Like i said before i was contracted by RW for a few parts to make and full sponsorship for full race events...thats why i have logos and cars on their site.....it was part of a deal.

I have no control over the parts being manufactured.....i have had request to inspect the parts from overseas before they ship them to the distribution for best fitment.I have raced and owned rotaries for as long as i remember,i do get concern for the company to do their best in selling good products.

R-W is a still new company.....i know they will be better in the future,I seen their progress with my help.

I did not hack your car up Andersen......you brought it to me because the other shop could not fix your problems and you did the same with them.You gave me half the money(3k) i took the stock motor out of car cleaned it, build you a Doweled 3 rotor (5 days of machine work)with large 12.5 studs,street port ,Installed the motor,Your twind disc clutch you brought ,street , your 3mm ceramic seals a front mount(you did not like because i had to work with what i got with your RAD)fuel rails ,custom headers,3.5 inch downpipe. to dual exhaust Stainless mufflers (tig welded)....setup your microtech and base tune(dyno time).....then you brought all your DEFI guages installed them at the last min( more labor).

Then the car had a small oil leak from a pan that had a small pin hole from previous work done that i didn't do and i didn't see till after......i had so much time on your car(labor and parts) and had other work i pushed to the side for your car...then you wanted me to fix it at the spot(required to take the motor out for fix).I had no more time to squeeze you in ,so you got Really angry took off with the car and blamed all kinds of stuff after plus never got my other half of money,.......You got a freebie andersen and you still have most of this parts on your car (engine)that i did and have seen on pictures and shows till today.

I am speaking the truth here i dont know what others have said about me or the bull stories they hear.I keep my work and word legit.........

I have put this behind now,lost is a lost for me ....i put my effort into all the work.Dont wanna discuss more of everyone's problems.

datum1-rx7

what did you expected on these made in china parts?

I purchased a v-mount kit in June. The quality is of the welds are decent and functional. The mounting kit needed slight modification. At the $900-1000 price range, its worth the $$$.

61620B

i wish i could have a factory here i would make them to perfection but $$$ is too much to build here maybe in the future when the machines and metals go down i would do it myself.

rx7roller02

Here's a free tip for you.....

if you care at all about your reputation, you would not associate with RW. These guys are rip-off artists. I have personally tried to resolve issues between Rob and customers on this forum as an impartial third party, and Rob lied to me, straight to my face, in an attempt to shift the blame to his customer. The real kicker was that the emails that Rob sent me proved he was lying. The guy wasnt even smart enough to know when his own "proof" was going to show him lying.

RW isnt going to be a successful shop--the guy's a crook plain and simple. He has demonstrated clearly to me that he has no intention of making right the damage he has done, and without that happening NO shop will become successful. He owes so many people so much money and parts that he couldnt possibly even remember how many people he's scammed. There is a reason why he is no longer allowed to do business on this forum and I was personally involved in the process, so this isnt some he-said hearsay. For you to defend him and his shop, well, that calls your reputation into question, to be honest. hell, one of our members sued him, and Rob agreed to pay a settlement.....and he hasnt even paid that! Meanwhile, he is still ripping people off left and right--the guy's taking all this money in, not delivering parts, and he has no cash to pay the court judgment. Any way you cut it, this is not the place where you want your name attached.

rx7roller02

sorry guys, that was a mistake on my part. I was looking at two threads at once and got them mixed up. The comments I posted were about the other shop, not Rotary Works. My bad, please ignore that brain fart.

61620B

Lol it happens.....

MIDNFauciUSN

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Wish I would have read this sooner... I got the Gilmer, and momentarily screwed myself. Until I busted out the dremel and drill press. Holes were too small, in the wrong spot... etc.

Looks like it was drop shipped from CXRacing - though it was purchased from RW on eBay.

Heres an interesting short conversation between myself and "ascension sanchez" of CXRacing:

ME to Rotary Works:
Dear rotary-works,Guys, I'm trying to be polite and honest here. This is totally unsatisfactory. I realize that I've screwed myself by modifying the crank and the water pump pulleys, but I have to have a running car for an upcomming show.
The water pump pulley center hole was a full 2mm off (15mm vice the OEM 17mm), and the inner diameter was too small to even sit flush on the water pump flange.The main pulley had 2 bolt holes that were drilled in the wrong position.The belt does not line up on these pulleys, it sticks out 1/8 inch over the main and water pump pulley.
Using the water pump spacer, it hangs 1/8 inch over the back of the water pump pulley.You guys can do better! If you wish to fix this, let me know.

Rotary Works to me:
email me ace@cxracing.com

Me to "Ace" (Ascension Sanchez):
I received an email through eBay to email you concerning a pulley set I received... how can I help?

Ascension to me:
when did you buy the pulley set ?
did any of the parts looked ?

Me in reply:
I'm not sure I follow what you're asking for... I bought the set last week and received it on the September 19th. They were in new condition, but didn't fit. I have a show to attend this Saturday and do not have time to send them back for an exchange until after that.
The water pump pulley is 2mm too small in diameter, and the internal diameter of the pulley is so small that it had to be hammered onto the water pump. I had to re-drill/dremel holes on both the water pump and the main pulleys... neither of them fit.

Him:
sound like you got the wrong parts. but there is no way we can take them back after
you have hacked them up.

Me:
I was expecting that answer... the only hacking going on is with the Chinese people making your poorly designed parts. Have a good one!

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We need to launch a denial of service attack on CXRacing.com and Rotary Works... anyone with me?

MIDNFauciUSN

iTrader: (8)

Hope I pissed them off at least a little with a paypal claim... they offered me 20 dollars back. lolllll like thats gonna happen... Hopefully if paypal has half a brain it'll be looked at as an admission of guilt. But I doubt it...

tuscanidream

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There is two different water pump pulleys. This piece of **** company just sends which ever one they feel like. They are aware that they don't have an option for it on the website. I did manage to get them to send me the correct one for me after hounding and harassing them. They still fucked me over with their piece of **** vmount kit. They are really good at ignoring your emails and saying you have to talk to some one else when you call them.

MIDNFauciUSN

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If anyone was wondering... PayPal got me my money back. Even after I drilled out the pulleys!

1993fd3sracer1

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using there coolant jackets on 2 FD and there both great not failed yet and its been 6 months

89fc3sT2

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Same issue, but the alternator was alright the water pump had to bore it out to fit. the belt didnt fit didnt want to grind my alternator down to fit the belt. Also the pulleys seem to be warped in some sort. I Wish i had seen this before ording i will never order another product from this company. Called email they gave me the run around about everything sent videos of me spinning the pulleys but you really couldnt see the warp that they had. so im stuck with these pos things and paypal wouldnt even help.

Keiron

89fc3sT2

iTrader: (12)

agreed with you on this one. wish paypal will look at this thread and give me back my damn money only thing modded on my set was the water pump so it could fit

anderdick88

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Wow Rene I just read the post about me.. I paid u 3k right to get my 20b rebuilt and running I supplied all the parts & many of u probable seen my car don't use no cheap *** china parts, I drove my car 10 miles before it overheated . Then I called u and U said don't tow it back to your shop cause u have no room & call u in a month.. How the hell is that worth 3k .

anderdick88

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Oh yeah when he installed my 3rotor he didn't even connect my sway bar . Lucky I didn't die on the freewAay driving that 10 mile.. I don't wanna get into a pissing match with u .. All I Can say is you don't know how to do business . I would of been a very good customer ask Juni at Jrx or Nelson at RRR .. I have probably spent over 30k in labor work between Juni & Nelson ..