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07-28-11, 10:44 AM
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Glad I saw this. I've been considering getting their FD/20B Intake Elbow for quite awhile since the Cosmo one is too long. Now that I know their quality and service are less-than-stellar, probably gonna just mod the Cosmo intake elbow to fit in my FC.
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07-28-11, 04:48 PM
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S4 has a 15mm water-pump, as well.... The 17mm alt is FD - you have an S4 w/ a 17mm alternator?
That can't be the case, of 'everything fit[ting] fine,' unless you're running stock EVERYTHING and have the S4 waterpump (not a 17mm bore and S4 alt has 15mm).
Look in my sig - the other thread (2nd gen section) has a few people commenting on the fact that this is a very difficult task, getting this all to work when running 'aftermarket' components' (i.e. not the OEM ones that came on the car.)
Just for ***** and giggles, repost everything fitting fine, again, after it's all together. Things are a bit different when stuff's all bolted in place.
That can't be the case, of 'everything fit[ting] fine,' unless you're running stock EVERYTHING and have the S4 waterpump (not a 17mm bore and S4 alt has 15mm).
Look in my sig - the other thread (2nd gen section) has a few people commenting on the fact that this is a very difficult task, getting this all to work when running 'aftermarket' components' (i.e. not the OEM ones that came on the car.)
Just for ***** and giggles, repost everything fitting fine, again, after it's all together. Things are a bit different when stuff's all bolted in place.
07-28-11, 06:41 PM
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S4 has a 15mm water-pump, as well.... The 17mm alt is FD - you have an S4 w/ a 17mm alternator?
I put the Alt pulley on the alternator. The alt pulley is 17mm bore. alternator is s4 witch is 15mm bore. i figured with a 17mm bore and the alt only 15mm it would deff hit the alternator housing but is dosn't it still has alot to go before hitting it. I am not running Any RX series alternator. I am going to be running a power basterds alternator. It has a 17mm bore so the pulley "should" fit fine.
That can't be the case, of 'everything fit[ting] fine,' unless you're running stock EVERYTHING and have the S4 waterpump (not a 17mm bore and S4 alt has 15mm).
Look in my sig - the other thread (2nd gen section) has a few people commenting on the fact that this is a very difficult task, getting this all to work when running 'aftermarket' components' (i.e. not the OEM ones that came on the car.)
Just for ***** and giggles, repost everything fitting fine, again, after it's all together. Things are a bit different when stuff's all bolted in place.
I put the Alt pulley on the alternator. The alt pulley is 17mm bore. alternator is s4 witch is 15mm bore. i figured with a 17mm bore and the alt only 15mm it would deff hit the alternator housing but is dosn't it still has alot to go before hitting it. I am not running Any RX series alternator. I am going to be running a power basterds alternator. It has a 17mm bore so the pulley "should" fit fine.
That can't be the case, of 'everything fit[ting] fine,' unless you're running stock EVERYTHING and have the S4 waterpump (not a 17mm bore and S4 alt has 15mm).
Look in my sig - the other thread (2nd gen section) has a few people commenting on the fact that this is a very difficult task, getting this all to work when running 'aftermarket' components' (i.e. not the OEM ones that came on the car.)
Just for ***** and giggles, repost everything fitting fine, again, after it's all together. Things are a bit different when stuff's all bolted in place.
07-28-11, 08:29 PM
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Ooookay My bad. I didn't catch the Power Bastards (proper noun) reference.
Yeah, I've heard some good things about running the PB alt, vs the RX% ones, namely the same kind of clearance-issues.
The 17mm bit is a little better, given that you're probably running a higher RPM - something those turds at RW don't take into consideration (as noted in the email.)
From a post, in my other thread:
HA!
My bad, man; no need to sick the 'Goodfellas' on me. 
Yeah, I've heard some good things about running the PB alt, vs the RX% ones, namely the same kind of clearance-issues.
The 17mm bit is a little better, given that you're probably running a higher RPM - something those turds at RW don't take into consideration (as noted in the email.)
From a post, in my other thread:
08-02-11, 08:09 AM
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Done. 
Both threads are running NICELY rampant and quite a good number of users are quite-nicely worked into a frothy-mouth fervor...
Lol. Wonder how many people are going to be making calls, about this kind of stuff.
Both threads are running NICELY rampant and quite a good number of users are quite-nicely worked into a frothy-mouth fervor...
Lol. Wonder how many people are going to be making calls, about this kind of stuff.
08-03-11, 05:34 PM
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so RW will be making me an N/A stainless header...and il more than likely not be paying for it since their quality is so high...but ive been assured the fitment will be dead on...i cant wait...i might order a set of their coil overs and the throttle body as well...but idk what you all are complaining about...i mean its aftermarket parts. it goes without saying that some modification might be required...and customer service quality may be bad but they DO run a full service rotary shop that is BOOMING here in socal and so i guess in-person customers (that provide probably about 80 percent of their business earnings) are more worthwhile than complaining malcontents...
08-03-11, 05:55 PM
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7fanatic - So let me get this straight. It is ok with you that Rotary Works can sell parts they KNOW don't fit and not tell anyone? Seriously?
Taken from their website TODAY (and I've got screen shots from months ago when I discussed this issue with them in case they ever changed it) regarding their elbow:
- High Pressure Cast Aluminum Intake Pipe, Polished.
- Fits 93-00 Mazda Rx7 twin turbo throttle body stock 4 bolts and fits Japanese COSMO13B & 20B 2 bolt design.
- 3" RW designed high flow
I made the pertinent part bold so hopefully it will help your comprehension.
They have been aware for MONTHS if not longer that their elbow does not fit the stock TB WITHOUT A FAIR AMOUNT OF MODIFICATION. I was informed on the phone they were aware that the website did not contain factual information and word for word, "Had never tested the elbow on a stock throttle body". Their "modification suggestion" was to hacksaw the corner off...and that is ignoring the fact that you also have to remove the dashpot. Yea that is some high quality customer service right there bud!
Oh and in regards to their "quality". The threads for the IAT/Injection hole were so poorly tapped I had to re-tap them since the sensor couldn't even screw in more than 30%.
Quality (which I feel is questionable) doesn't make up for poor service or business ethics. Multiple products of theirs have been posted as being terrible fitment by multiple owners of multiple generations of cars. Quite frankly, the only item I've seen of theirs that seems to REMOTELY fit as advertised is THEIR TB of which at least one person remarked the studs were too long.
Since you are their "buddy" maybe you can pass along that they should start adding some honest product notices on their website? Installation instructions would be nice from what I understand as well. At the rate their reputation is going everywhere but Cali apparently it won't be too long before a rotary-works-sucks.com website is up.
Think about it.
Taken from their website TODAY (and I've got screen shots from months ago when I discussed this issue with them in case they ever changed it) regarding their elbow:
- High Pressure Cast Aluminum Intake Pipe, Polished.
- Fits 93-00 Mazda Rx7 twin turbo throttle body stock 4 bolts and fits Japanese COSMO13B & 20B 2 bolt design.
- 3" RW designed high flow
I made the pertinent part bold so hopefully it will help your comprehension.
They have been aware for MONTHS if not longer that their elbow does not fit the stock TB WITHOUT A FAIR AMOUNT OF MODIFICATION. I was informed on the phone they were aware that the website did not contain factual information and word for word, "Had never tested the elbow on a stock throttle body". Their "modification suggestion" was to hacksaw the corner off...and that is ignoring the fact that you also have to remove the dashpot. Yea that is some high quality customer service right there bud!
Oh and in regards to their "quality". The threads for the IAT/Injection hole were so poorly tapped I had to re-tap them since the sensor couldn't even screw in more than 30%.
Quality (which I feel is questionable) doesn't make up for poor service or business ethics. Multiple products of theirs have been posted as being terrible fitment by multiple owners of multiple generations of cars. Quite frankly, the only item I've seen of theirs that seems to REMOTELY fit as advertised is THEIR TB of which at least one person remarked the studs were too long.
Since you are their "buddy" maybe you can pass along that they should start adding some honest product notices on their website? Installation instructions would be nice from what I understand as well. At the rate their reputation is going everywhere but Cali apparently it won't be too long before a rotary-works-sucks.com website is up.
Think about it.
08-03-11, 08:52 PM
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+1 on that one, Gringo.
7Fanatic: I don't know what disturbs me more: The fact that there are (almost quite literally) a THOUSAND people that are dissatisfied with RW; either their parts, crustomer service, or both, or that you're defending them beyond the point of rationale.
The fact that they have a "BOOMING" shop, in SoCal is only reflective to the fact that their 'satisfied' customers are sheep and should be sorted, accordingly. If the **** doesn't fit, it doesn't fit.
Period.
Modification of any product shouldn't even be a variable in an equation, when you're talking about parts made fora specific vehicle.
"i mean its aftermarket parts. it goes without saying that some modification might be required"
Really?
Tell that to REAL companies like Tein, Apex'i, Racing Beat, AEM, DC, ACT, Skun2, Koni, Exedy, Pasword JDM, Sparco or a MILLION other companies that make vehicle-specific, OEM-replacement, aftermarket parts.
It would naturally follow that if it's an aftermarket, bolt-on, that you shouldn't HAVE to have to modify a damned thing - ESPECIALLY when you not only talking about parts that are SUPPOSED to fit multiple models. This is a way to try to short-cut the potentially expensive fabrication cost of making ACTUAL vehicle-specific parts.
Something like the 'elbow' that Gringo's talking about should be a simple process:
1: Remove IC piping;
2: Remove 4 OEM crown-nuts;
3: Remove OEM 'elbow;'
4: Replace with [insert company name, here] elbow;
5: Replace crown-nuts and IC pipe.
NOT the added steps:
4.5: Remove;
4.6: Bust out hack-saw;
4.7: Cut material off of right side so the damned part fits, because we haven't figure out how to make a part, that properly fits, for this car...
4.8: Replace, test-fitting;
4.9: Repeat steps 4.7 and 4.8, as needed (inserting a healthy dosage of 4-lettered words, hurtled at everything from the car, the dog, your girl, the mailman, your tools and the potted plant that said dog keeps urinating on), along the way.
"and il more than likely not be paying for it since their quality is so high...but ive been assured the fitment will be dead on..." Sooo... If their quality was low, you'd have to pay for it? Man... You're getting RIPPED off, dude.
Do you have any idea how non-linear that thought is? Read that out loud and think about it. NTM if you're not paying for it, then of COURSE you won't be miffed when (not IF) it doesn't fit, right.
NONE of their parts (to my knowledge) fit, "dead on." Kind of a blatant contradiction to the requirement to modify aftermarket bits, huh?
I agree with Gringo: If you're SO willing to stand by this company - and you're on the in with them, all buddy-buddy, as it were - perhaps you should relay to those *** that their number-one fan-base is quite unhappy with their product and they should stop acting like cowering squirrels and rally some defense of their ****.
Pretty amusing that the negatives have drastically out-numbered the positives, regarding.
Pop about on the other forums - I think the tune will change, given the user-base feedback.
"Think about it."
'Nuff said.
7Fanatic: I don't know what disturbs me more: The fact that there are (almost quite literally) a THOUSAND people that are dissatisfied with RW; either their parts, crustomer service, or both, or that you're defending them beyond the point of rationale.
The fact that they have a "BOOMING" shop, in SoCal is only reflective to the fact that their 'satisfied' customers are sheep and should be sorted, accordingly. If the **** doesn't fit, it doesn't fit.
Period.
Modification of any product shouldn't even be a variable in an equation, when you're talking about parts made fora specific vehicle.
"i mean its aftermarket parts. it goes without saying that some modification might be required"
Really?
Tell that to REAL companies like Tein, Apex'i, Racing Beat, AEM, DC, ACT, Skun2, Koni, Exedy, Pasword JDM, Sparco or a MILLION other companies that make vehicle-specific, OEM-replacement, aftermarket parts.
It would naturally follow that if it's an aftermarket, bolt-on, that you shouldn't HAVE to have to modify a damned thing - ESPECIALLY when you not only talking about parts that are SUPPOSED to fit multiple models. This is a way to try to short-cut the potentially expensive fabrication cost of making ACTUAL vehicle-specific parts.
Something like the 'elbow' that Gringo's talking about should be a simple process:
1: Remove IC piping;
2: Remove 4 OEM crown-nuts;
3: Remove OEM 'elbow;'
4: Replace with [insert company name, here] elbow;
5: Replace crown-nuts and IC pipe.
NOT the added steps:
4.5: Remove;
4.6: Bust out hack-saw;
4.7: Cut material off of right side so the damned part fits, because we haven't figure out how to make a part, that properly fits, for this car...
4.8: Replace, test-fitting;
4.9: Repeat steps 4.7 and 4.8, as needed (inserting a healthy dosage of 4-lettered words, hurtled at everything from the car, the dog, your girl, the mailman, your tools and the potted plant that said dog keeps urinating on), along the way.
"and il more than likely not be paying for it since their quality is so high...but ive been assured the fitment will be dead on..." Sooo... If their quality was low, you'd have to pay for it?
Man... You're getting RIPPED off, dude. Do you have any idea how non-linear that thought is? Read that out loud and think about it. NTM if you're not paying for it, then of COURSE you won't be miffed when (not IF) it doesn't fit, right.
NONE of their parts (to my knowledge) fit, "dead on." Kind of a blatant contradiction to the requirement to modify aftermarket bits, huh?
I agree with Gringo: If you're SO willing to stand by this company - and you're on the in with them, all buddy-buddy, as it were - perhaps you should relay to those *** that their number-one fan-base is quite unhappy with their product and they should stop acting like cowering squirrels and rally some defense of their ****.
Pretty amusing that the negatives have drastically out-numbered the positives, regarding.
Pop about on the other forums - I think the tune will change, given the user-base feedback.
"Think about it."
'Nuff said.
08-04-11, 06:04 PM
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ok maybe i should rephrase...because im one of their loyal customers here in california, that have supported them, and not complaned about issues (because i have not once had any with any of their products either on my own car or any ive worked on) i do not have to pay for these parts. so i guess i really am getting a bad deal...i mean free parts for being a loyal customer and not trashing them on a forum? yep. such a bad bad deal.
sorry YOU are having bad experiences with products of theirs that are actually fairly easy to install...that says a lot about your patience and mechanical expertise since youre a "car guy" but cant fix a simple problem without someone elses instructions...
i havnt had a bad experience yet and will continue to support their produce since...you know...im here to deal with them and their shops IN PERSON.
sorry YOU are having bad experiences with products of theirs that are actually fairly easy to install...that says a lot about your patience and mechanical expertise since youre a "car guy" but cant fix a simple problem without someone elses instructions...
i havnt had a bad experience yet and will continue to support their produce since...you know...im here to deal with them and their shops IN PERSON.
08-04-11, 07:21 PM
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I see you continue to ignore false advertising on their site? That they are very aware of?
For instance if their elbow description was, "Requires removal of dashpot and you must hacksaw off one corner of your stock TB" then I wouldn't complain. I wouldn't have bought either.
Your refusal to acknowledge that they continue to sell products through deceit says a lot about your integrity as well. I understand why you are such a "loyal" customer lol.
For instance if their elbow description was, "Requires removal of dashpot and you must hacksaw off one corner of your stock TB" then I wouldn't complain. I wouldn't have bought either.
Your refusal to acknowledge that they continue to sell products through deceit says a lot about your integrity as well. I understand why you are such a "loyal" customer lol.
08-04-11, 07:47 PM
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Yup, that's us - all mechanically DEclined morons. We can't install ill-fitting, modification REQUIRED parts..... Along with anyone else who uses their products. I KNOW you're lying from the first sentence, in your last post...
If that were the case - about NEVER having a problem with ill-fitting parts (and from your "in-person, in California") allusion - that tells me that they intentionally sell all of their fucked-up ones, over the internet. so that there is a problem, much akin to this one, and the one that's coming to their houses (as opposed to mine, where the parts came).
LOL. Yeah. *shakes head*
Secondarily, if it were only a simple user/ installation error, how come those slugs haven't come on, to defend themselves, officially? On their own, even? Instead of confronting a dissatisfied customer, head-on, they bitched up, and fell back like a pack of spine-less *****... Leaving me on hold for about 20 minutes, before hanging up on me. once they found out that I sent them the email.... AND was recording the conversation.
It's really obvious you're not getting this whole dig, to begin with - This is about them, as a company. They sell ill-fitting parts to people and keep them paid. They blatantly advertise mis- and knowingly wrong information, regarding their product(s).
As well, given a really quick record search, I know for a fact that TTD customers DO NO make up 80% of their business earnings - If that's the case then screw the BBB, we should be looking at the Feds for tax-evasion and Tax- Fraud. So thanks for pointing that one out
Oh, don't worry - if it's merely due to the fact that we from the internet, and not in person - my intention of visiting them, at their "full-service rotary shop" is already in the works. My being such a Mild-mannered and oh-so calm individual should help out greatly, in all of this.
As far as finding them... Thank God for OSI
Now, go fall in line, ya sheep.
BAAAAA.
Their products are gaining reputation of being a very bad-buy, for the money you're spending and since you compound that on top of really ****-shot customer service *read the ******' posts, between the two threads, in my signature, ya mook* and their illegal business practices...
Yeeeeeeeeaaaaahhhhh.
If that were the case - about NEVER having a problem with ill-fitting parts (and from your "in-person, in California") allusion - that tells me that they intentionally sell all of their fucked-up ones, over the internet. so that there is a problem, much akin to this one, and the one that's coming to their houses (as opposed to mine, where the parts came).
LOL. Yeah. *shakes head*
Secondarily, if it were only a simple user/ installation error, how come those slugs haven't come on, to defend themselves, officially? On their own, even? Instead of confronting a dissatisfied customer, head-on, they bitched up, and fell back like a pack of spine-less *****... Leaving me on hold for about 20 minutes, before hanging up on me. once they found out that I sent them the email.... AND was recording the conversation.
It's really obvious you're not getting this whole dig, to begin with - This is about them, as a company. They sell ill-fitting parts to people and keep them paid. They blatantly advertise mis- and knowingly wrong information, regarding their product(s).
As well, given a really quick record search, I know for a fact that TTD customers DO NO make up 80% of their business earnings - If that's the case then screw the BBB, we should be looking at the Feds for tax-evasion and Tax- Fraud. So thanks for pointing that one out
Oh, don't worry - if it's merely due to the fact that we from the internet, and not in person - my intention of visiting them, at their "full-service rotary shop" is already in the works. My being such a Mild-mannered and oh-so calm individual should help out greatly, in all of this.
As far as finding them... Thank God for OSI
Now, go fall in line, ya sheep.
BAAAAA.
Their products are gaining reputation of being a very bad-buy, for the money you're spending and since you compound that on top of really ****-shot customer service *read the ******' posts, between the two threads, in my signature, ya mook* and their illegal business practices...
Yeeeeeeeeaaaaahhhhh.
08-05-11, 01:32 AM
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I have posted some remarks about there poor quality gilmer drive pulley kit in another section here on the forum that i bought from them. I had to modify the pulley kit to fit my application, when i bought the kit strictly for my application. 13b RE... the quality was horrible, the packing was horrible, and the fact that there is a middle person whom runs the website, sales, all transactions, AND has a forum name here, and can't even seem to speak on Rene's behalf himself/herself makes it even more just for the bad quality service, and parts they distribute, sell and continue to advertise here on the forum.
And I'm not the only person who has bought from "Rene" and has had complaints about the crappy products, there crap runs deep every where on this forum. How come it is not a point that Mr. Rene or rotary works come on here and please for the love god explain why there parts do not work the way they claim they are supposed to, instead of a bunch of just ranting and raving about this that and the other. Such B.S
And I'm not the only person who has bought from "Rene" and has had complaints about the crappy products, there crap runs deep every where on this forum. How come it is not a point that Mr. Rene or rotary works come on here and please for the love god explain why there parts do not work the way they claim they are supposed to, instead of a bunch of just ranting and raving about this that and the other. Such B.S
08-05-11, 02:20 AM
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RE: about the crappy products
I have posted some remarks about there poor quality gilmer drive pulley kit in another section here on the forum that i bought from them. I had to modify the pulley kit to fit my application, when i bought the kit strictly for my application. 13b RE... the quality was horrible, the packing was horrible, and the fact that there is a middle person whom runs the website, sales, all transactions, AND has a forum name here, and can't even seem to speak on Rene's behalf himself/herself makes it even more just for the bad quality service, and parts they distribute, sell and continue to advertise here on the forum.
And I'm not the only person who has bought from "Rene" and has had complaints about the crappy products, there crap runs deep every where on this forum. How come it is not a point that Mr. Rene or rotary works come on here and please for the love god explain why there parts do not work the way they claim they are supposed to, instead of a bunch of just ranting and raving about this that and the other. Such B.S
And I'm not the only person who has bought from "Rene" and has had complaints about the crappy products, there crap runs deep every where on this forum. How come it is not a point that Mr. Rene or rotary works come on here and please for the love god explain why there parts do not work the way they claim they are supposed to, instead of a bunch of just ranting and raving about this that and the other. Such B.S
Hes head is so swollen thinking hes big ****, Bad mouthing fellow racers, builders and shops. That's why he will continue and will always be small time. Go China Racing Parts. lol
08-05-11, 03:20 AM
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I addressed this point, as well.
I find it quite odd that a company - that has a known presence on a forum - refuses to step forward and at least TRY to defend themselves against (what I'm sure THEY would construe as) "false accusations."
You ought to check out said email, as well.
Check out the email that I sent them and append that to the fact that after the email, I tried calling them.
Once they found out who I was (I even gave them the order number, to verify) they put me on hold for the greater part of 20mins...
Then, very unceremoniously, hung up on me.
I find it quite odd that a company - that has a known presence on a forum - refuses to step forward and at least TRY to defend themselves against (what I'm sure THEY would construe as) "false accusations."
You ought to check out said email, as well.
Check out the email that I sent them and append that to the fact that after the email, I tried calling them.
Once they found out who I was (I even gave them the order number, to verify) they put me on hold for the greater part of 20mins...
Then, very unceremoniously, hung up on me.
08-05-11, 05:29 AM
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Boost leak on RW throttle body
I have noticed the same thing when I did boost leak test. Air would come out of the throttle shaft in the front where the cable attaches. Driveability with the TB is 90% for me. My only issue is when I shut the throttle, the car will almost die but then the IG control kicks the revs back up and the idle stabilizes. Does anyone else have this issue with the 90mm TB?
08-05-11, 03:53 PM
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Seriously....you get what you pay for.
So let me see if I get this right....if I decide to buy some China stuff on ebay and it says it all fits without the need for modification, am I just in arguing about it when my Chinese parts dont fit? Come on!
99% of everyone here knows RW parts are RE-produced in China. Why? Cause materials and labor are cheap!!!! I understand the frustration of having to deal with modding a supposedly "bolt on" part but LOOK WHERE YOU BOUGHT THE PARTS!!!! I'm not gonna buy a tool kit from the 99 cent store and then file complaint when those tools start falling apart. I'd rather save the hassle and spend on a nice set of Snap On tools....
Point is, nothing will ALWAYS be perfect...some of their parts are worth a little hassle cause of the potential in them and the cost and yeah some stuff should be avoided. I bet if their site didnt say that everything would work as promised there would be less trash talk but its always put on a product in hopes that it goes as such but its not always the case.
As for Rene,
Its seriously not cool to put his name out there like that. He does amazing work and is one of the best fabricators I've had the privilege of working with. he develops parts for RW, he IS NOT Rotary Works. They send his CUSTOM work and mass produce it which means if it comes out wrong, it happened overseas and not at his reputable shop. I've personally watched him work meticulously fitting parts and making sure it all bolts up before it gets sent to the person that has them reproduced in masses. My car was used for test fitting and double checking that parts were dead on and guess what, all of my RW parts fit just fine. So its not fair to blame him directly.
In short, If you dont wanna spend a ton of money on "brand name" parts, keep buying stuff made overseas, just dont complain about the work you have to do to get it to fit correctly. As for the "false advertising", well thats up to the owners to decide what to do with it...I'm sure they hear stuff like this all day.
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So let me see if I get this right....if I decide to buy some China stuff on ebay and it says it all fits without the need for modification, am I just in arguing about it when my Chinese parts dont fit? Come on!
99% of everyone here knows RW parts are RE-produced in China. Why? Cause materials and labor are cheap!!!! I understand the frustration of having to deal with modding a supposedly "bolt on" part but LOOK WHERE YOU BOUGHT THE PARTS!!!! I'm not gonna buy a tool kit from the 99 cent store and then file complaint when those tools start falling apart. I'd rather save the hassle and spend on a nice set of Snap On tools....
Point is, nothing will ALWAYS be perfect...some of their parts are worth a little hassle cause of the potential in them and the cost and yeah some stuff should be avoided. I bet if their site didnt say that everything would work as promised there would be less trash talk but its always put on a product in hopes that it goes as such but its not always the case.
As for Rene,
Its seriously not cool to put his name out there like that. He does amazing work and is one of the best fabricators I've had the privilege of working with. he develops parts for RW, he IS NOT Rotary Works. They send his CUSTOM work and mass produce it which means if it comes out wrong, it happened overseas and not at his reputable shop. I've personally watched him work meticulously fitting parts and making sure it all bolts up before it gets sent to the person that has them reproduced in masses. My car was used for test fitting and double checking that parts were dead on and guess what, all of my RW parts fit just fine. So its not fair to blame him directly.
In short, If you dont wanna spend a ton of money on "brand name" parts, keep buying stuff made overseas, just dont complain about the work you have to do to get it to fit correctly. As for the "false advertising", well thats up to the owners to decide what to do with it...I'm sure they hear stuff like this all day.
my .02
08-05-11, 04:05 PM
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lets also not forget that rene's reputation proceeds all this recent outsourcing stuff being done by the persons responsible for reproducing his parts...puttinf one person on the spot for the fault of anothers, especially a person with the reputation that rene has among the rotary community is JUST WRONG. it would be like putting Carroll Shelby on blast because some tool in one of his mustangs cut you off on the freeway and bunched your panties.
Lets also n ot forget that posting someone BY NAME on a forum in a degrading manner like this can be considered legal slander...
Lets also n ot forget that posting someone BY NAME on a forum in a degrading manner like this can be considered legal slander...
Last edited by mar3; 08-05-11 at 10:46 PM. Reason: Killed quote since reply was back-to-back to post in question...
08-05-11, 06:06 PM
#46
Lets also n ot forget that posting someone BY NAME on a forum in a degrading manner like this can be considered legal slander...
@FC Eddie: Two points I'd ask you to consider that still have not been addressed.
1) So Rotary Works is not Rene? Whether that is true or not I really don't care. He is in some way associated with them whether it be an equity position or not but by associating with them and allowing the continual use of his name and/or products he is ruining his own name by association. Something he should consider. Maybe I'll get bored later and find out who the "owners" of Rotary Works actually are if Rene isn't involved.
2) Myself and many others have had great experiences with Chinese parts. There are quite a few retailers who use Chinese parts and there are no problems. That being said, whether a part is made in China, by Rotary Works in California or by magical gnomes in Wonderland, is not the issue.
The issue is when a company and/or individual is made aware a product does not remotely fit as advertised, they acknowledge they were previously aware of this and months later CONTINUE to advertise on their site a product as a direct fit. Seriously? Can you tell me with integrity that is honest? Good Business? Sounds at the very least like false advertising and possibly fraud to me.
Think about it.
08-05-11, 06:06 PM
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The problem here IS that their reputation USED to be good, and their parts, now supersede whatever rep they HAD.
The fact that the parts are ill-fitting is one issue, the fact that they suck as a company is another.
The fact that the parts are ill-fitting is one issue, the fact that they suck as a company is another.
08-06-11, 03:13 PM
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Gringo-the fact that you must incessantly insult the intelligence of people whom you have no personal experience with completely floors and aggrivates me especially because the only reason i posted on this bash thread is because i myself have not had any bad dealings with rotary works and i am also astounded that someone would drag one person's name and reputation through the mud needlessly because he designed parts for a company that cannot manufacture them to the same specs that they were designed in...so all this aside, yes, what has been said about the person mentioned (notice i said person no company) is indeed considered legal slander under both local and congressional law...there are people doing time for similar counts of slander depending on which state or locale they reside in...
consult a lawyer? whats the point when i know this broken legal system better than most of them?
fact is i support Rene's products regardless of if the manufacturing company messes them up or not because they are good products at the point of design and manufacture by Rene himself...and i am very sorry you guys have had bad instances with poor fitting/quality parts. that is no way the blame of Rene.
maybe you ought to seek the "magical gnomes in wonderland" as they are to blame for your extreme saltiness towards an otherwise respectable company.
consult a lawyer? whats the point when i know this broken legal system better than most of them?
fact is i support Rene's products regardless of if the manufacturing company messes them up or not because they are good products at the point of design and manufacture by Rene himself...and i am very sorry you guys have had bad instances with poor fitting/quality parts. that is no way the blame of Rene.
maybe you ought to seek the "magical gnomes in wonderland" as they are to blame for your extreme saltiness towards an otherwise respectable company.
08-07-11, 01:43 AM
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7Fanatic - Work on your spelling and I'll work on considering you intelligent. You are insulting OUR intelligence, the end user, by claiming it is our ineptitude that products do not work, when in fact the products are mis-represented and poorly designed.
One of the companies I own deals with renters. Generally once or twice a year, someone calls in with threats of legal this, legal that. We kindly suggest that they actually consult an attorney before making threats.
Touching on that intelligence point again, your "grasp" of the law...and I'm using that term lightly...brings yours into question once again. Having a GED or being arrested doesn't make one an expert in litigation. Whether either of those apply to you I have no idea but you certainly aren't holding a Juris Doctor.
You do sound like someone in their late teens or early 20's who really doesn't have much life experience yet. So here is what is going to happen. Every time the name Rotary Works pop up I'm going to make certain people know about the terrible products and service they have. I'm also going to stop responding to you as quite frankly, you have blinders on and you can't lead a fool to water much less make him drink.
Something else to consider. I've worked very, very hard to achieve what I have in life. I came from nothing. You know why I don't have to pretend to know the law to threaten people? Because I have people who work for me, multiple attorneys who do that. So if you are really bored, I'll be happy to provide you with contact information for the applicable attorneys in this matter and I'll sit down and laugh with them over some silly kid from California making threats he knows nothing about.
Hope you become wiser as you grow older.
One of the companies I own deals with renters. Generally once or twice a year, someone calls in with threats of legal this, legal that. We kindly suggest that they actually consult an attorney before making threats.
Touching on that intelligence point again, your "grasp" of the law...and I'm using that term lightly...brings yours into question once again. Having a GED or being arrested doesn't make one an expert in litigation. Whether either of those apply to you I have no idea but you certainly aren't holding a Juris Doctor.
You do sound like someone in their late teens or early 20's who really doesn't have much life experience yet. So here is what is going to happen. Every time the name Rotary Works pop up I'm going to make certain people know about the terrible products and service they have. I'm also going to stop responding to you as quite frankly, you have blinders on and you can't lead a fool to water much less make him drink.
Something else to consider. I've worked very, very hard to achieve what I have in life. I came from nothing. You know why I don't have to pretend to know the law to threaten people? Because I have people who work for me, multiple attorneys who do that. So if you are really bored, I'll be happy to provide you with contact information for the applicable attorneys in this matter and I'll sit down and laugh with them over some silly kid from California making threats he knows nothing about.
Hope you become wiser as you grow older.
08-07-11, 08:17 AM
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TrboSpdAnt, your entire post was deleted due to all of the cursing and vulgarity. You've already been warned once--- next time you'll be taking a short vacation, and after that a long vacation. After that.... permanent vacation. Yes, I'm serious. Take a look at Gringo's posts for an example of the 'right way' to express your views and prove your point.