ATC529R

and thank you for taking the time to do this.

RotorMotorDriver

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Well this sucks. I was looking for their site to look at pricing for the sub frame kit and coil overs and saw it's no longer up and running. I guess it's all gone now? Probably for the best it sounds like. Too bad though...

Does anyone know the details of what happened to the product line or anything? I work in a position where I have the capability to personally manufacture just about anything they had been making. I would not be able to manufacture them in high volume for other customers myself, but my employer has the equipment and ability to do it. There is a possibility they would do runs of parts with proper funding, but there is no way I could ask for money up front after this fiasco. I would just have my employer front the bill, then they would just take it from my paycheck if I didn't pay them, haha.

Before that happens however, I would need some drawings or spec sheets of various products. So if anyone has contact, is he interested in selling any of his company? Or does any know if these products are patented (or pending) at all? PM me with any info if you want. As I said, I would be interested in just enough info for personal use, but who knows.

~T.J.

EDIT: Site is working now. I was getting a hosting error page earlier. Maybe just a coincidence? Either way, I'm glad it was down because I searched and found this thread thinking maybe they went out of business. Now I'm hesitant to order...

mymmeryloss

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Do not order. I repeat do not order from respeed

j_tso

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I would guess that Billy still has the design plans, but since he transferred the business over he probably can't legally distribute them.

mymmeryloss

iTrader: (13)

Sure he can. All it takes is a small change to keep from copyright infringement.

jutny

is there any recent news on any of this?

Their site is still up, parts are still for sale... but no return contact in a few days now. That stageII rack conversion kit looks like a mighty tasty bit, I'd love to see SOMEONE produce it. I'd buy one right now as it's something I really want to do in my current project.

ioTus

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you and me & a **** load of others, mate!

That was the FIRST mod i was going to do when i got back in the FB - and my timing was perfectly wrong. I was literally filling my cart and ready to hit check out when i found this thread...

That said - i had a perfect experience with the 1 purchase I made - CAI radiator support. However here's how i went about it: contacted him on facebook - posted on his page. I knew DJ55b before he bought the farm, so we do have a bit of history. I posted on his timeline that I was back in an FB and stoked to get some upgrades, asked him if he had any CAI in stock. He said he had one left, so I sent him my payment info directly and had the part within a week.

I wish this experience was shared across the board - but honestly I'm too freaked out to test my luck with a purchase as big as a R&P kit

Sh00bs

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glad to be turned onto this thread. does anyone else know where to get ground control rear "coil-overs" for an fb ? as i see it, it's them or techno tuning... which is a hella nice set up, just dont have the dough.

after reading everyones experience, i dont plan to order from them

ioTus

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I remember Robert @ RotaryShack mentioning that he was working on some coilovers. But watch out - everyone on this forum hates him and I will probably get ****-talked just for mentioning him.

I gotta say its REALLY bad idea to ban people and lock posts (MODS i'm looking at you) because you NEVER get to hear the other side of the story - just the (legitimate) horror stories, then the whiners, then the groupies, and no actual truth as to what's gone down.

No excuse for bad service, and I still am avoiding RE-Speed until I know for a fact things are back up and running, but say for instance things do get cleared and back in business - nobody would know because RX7club mods have shut them out.

ATC529R

^^^^^ you obviously are not one of the ones to send hundreds or thousands only to hope like hell you used paypal and found this thread within 45 days after repeated voicemails and emails with no response.....but they'll sure as hell take your payment.

thank you Mods, I really could care less what the POS has for excuses.

misterstyx69

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So,are you comfortable with handing money to a Guy that was supposed to be a "up and up" VENDOR on here,that paid fees and then TOOK money from people and didn't give them SFA?

There is a reason that he was Banned.So he didn't continue to Rip of people by taking money and giving them empty promises.
No parts,just excuses then lack of communication..

And again Lack of communication when contacted by Mods to straighten out the Shitstorm that was started by all of this.He had ample time to reply but he just sits on his ***?.nope.,NOT gonna solve anything.
.so BAM,.He's outta here..so it doesn't happen to others on here.The Club has to draw the line on actions of the Vendors and it did just that.
Members follow the Classifieds rules and if there is a Problem,the OP gets Contacted.Failure to resolve the problem is grounds for banning,so why should a vendor stay and rip off Customers if a normal member Goes Bye-Bye for a bad transaction?
Does that not make sense to you?(just because a member is a Vendor does not mean he has Carte Blanche to anyone's money)

Sort of like a cop giving a armed robber his gun back and say "we took your bullets but you can buy them at this store..have a nice day,See you again shortly".

If you got parts off of this guy then Good for you.
This thread is not about parts received.

It is about all the Guys that did NOT receive parts and sent money to RE-Speed and got SFA.

ioTus

iTrader: (5)

No, i'm not comfortable handing him money. By saying that we need to ban him from RX7 club to prevent that money transfer from happening - you're saying that Rx7club.com is a payment processor for Re-Speed. This is false.

Rather than banning his user account - just unlist him as a vendor from the site and instead post a severe warning to all users about his business in place of his vendor presence (like this thread). It is far more effective to let someone live on in their own shame than to bury them and pretend they never happened in the first place.

I haven't ben gypped by him, no. I did receive the part that i ordered. Which all the more further emphasizes my point - closing off communication from your end GUARUNTEES that you will not receive communication from his end.

I'm not promoting RE-Speed here, not sure how you guys got that impression. I'm just trying to help the RX7 community in the bigger picture.

I'm a web developer and get frustrated when I so often come across old threads that are "locked" or by users that are banned, with valuable information in them (both good and bad), but because the mods choose to exert their authority rather than help fix the situation, we are instead left with a dead-end that will never be able to heal or grow and help guide people in the correct direction, with the correct information.

misterstyx69

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After his Vendor status was revoked,he was given ample time to make good on his practices,but as this was happening,Members kept on seeing his Parts being advertised and did not see the warnings that were up to discourage any dealings with him.

When they got ripped the blame seemed to fall on the Club which had absolutely NO control of how people got a hold of him to do transactions(BY PM).This was because he was still active ON forum.
Who gets blamed?,The CLUB.
So that was cut out by banning his membership and cutting the snake off at the head.
IF you notice,members were STILL willing to deal with this guy even AFTER he ripped people off(and apparently still ARE),and the Club was not going to have any Bad deals on the site happen at the expense of him operating his business on the site.
This Forum has the RIGHT to ban any member at any time for NOT following the Policies laid out in it's rules and therefore it exercised it's authority to do just that.
In the end the Club doesn't assume responsibility for any actions done in a Parts transaction (Caveat Emptor..remember?).
BUT it can protect the REST of its membership here,and that is exactly what the club was doing.
People blamed the club for letting him continue and even though the club had NO involvement with any transactions,it still got blamed.
You just do not see the complaints that staff had to sift over before dealing with this guy.

Letting this guy continue on here to "live in shame"..NO.

If your Room-mate stole your wallet off you,would you let him Stay?

You may not see the actions of the Forum as correct,but honestly when it boils down to it,it's their Prerogative.
Bottom line,the Deals were done by this guy ON this Forum and they were STOPPED by the Club Administration,Moderators and the Owners of this Forum.

ioTus

iTrader: (5)

From all I've read it was just that he was taking peoples money through his personal site and not delivering on product. I was unaware that he was doing transactions through PM's, which I do in fact know is against forum policies. THAT is the sort of information you need to have up front.

I would suggest adding short verbiage to the PM screen reminding people not to participate in any transactional behavior through that channel. Ebay does something to this effect at the very top of all email correspondences between users, highlighted in yellow:

misterstyx69

iTrader: (142)

The info is posted at the top of the Classifieds sections.

https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...med***-906178/

rx7roller02

Well then you should have kept reading. There have been plenty of posts and stickies posted to let people know that dealing through PMs is not acceptable. Here's one now, I posted it myself more than 2 years ago and its still visible:

https://www.rx7club.com/2nd-generati...-scams-983618/

Did you happen to notice that this very thread was started back in September 2012? You should know that...you posted yourself in this thread back in 2012. You also should know that Re-Speed actually posted in this thread, for a while...

https://www.rx7club.com/bad-fugly-bu.../#post11325618

So what reason, exactly, are you complaining that no one gets to hear both sides of the story? By your posting over and over again in this thread, you knew all of this already....so please do us a favor and stop the pointless complaining. You're asking questions pertaining to a scenario that you fully knew did not even happen, yet you claim it did anyways. And looking over this thread, it is publicly stated multiple times that we contacted him through his vendor account, through his private member account, through his website, through his facebook, etc etc etc. For "not knowing the other side", there's sure one hell of a lot of info posted publicly by the mods here for everyone's information....

As for Rotary Shack, I was personally involved. Robert had more than enough opportunity to post publicly, and he did. He buried himself with his constantly changing stories, not to mention the two minions that would endlessly try to speak for him. These were public events. One RS feedback thread in particular was where Robert was caught lying his nuts off about his actions. And when his RS account got banned, he kept coming back under new names and starting the BS all over again. In other words, you are complaining for no good reason, about things that did not even happen, especially in the cases you use to support said complaining.

NO. We are saying that we need to act to protect the members here. Not really sure how you can try to find fault in that, but oh well.

Its "far more effective"?? Are you on crack or something? Tell me, how effective were the postings I personally put up as stickies regarding "do not conduct sales through PMs", when you clearly did not even see them or know they were already there? But you're asking us to do the same thing and post a "bad guy" thread about him for "everyone to see"?

Right, because us posting that kind of a sticky really got noticed by you already, correct?

No, it does not. This thread was started in 9/2012....six months later, his account was STILL not banned...he was STILL being contacted by moderators well after then, and we were STILL trying to foster communication where he had once again stopped responding to everyone. NO ONE cut off his ability to speak to any of us...he was banned ONLY AFTER it became known that he would no longer speak to anyone about these problems. We gave him MONTHS to work this out.

but you knew that already, as evidenced by your posting in this thread back then. So again, stop wasting our time with complaints about stuff that didnt even happen.

Funny, those "locked" threads are still quite visible to the public...

This would be a good time for you to check yourself before you push things too far. The simple truth is this--because of our efforts, Re-Speed actually started getting parts to people again. That means that buyers who had dropped hundreds of dollars got those parts only because we kept trying to keep Re-Speed communicating with us. It is not our job to hold his hand and make the parts for him. We went further than damn near any other forum out there to keep the comms open and to be patient and to encourage patience in those who were kept waiting....for months and months....and only when we saw that he had completely stopped all comms, only then was he banned. He was still taking orders actively, but stopped all effort to resolve the sales he already had. So next time you want to criticize the efforts of the mods here "rather than help fix the situation", save yourself the typing.
Again, pure BS.

1--is this whole thread still publicly viewable?
2--did anyone lock this thread or can it?
3--cant anyone here go back today and read the thread and plainly see all of the "correct information" in plain sight?

As for the "dead end", we cannot force Sam to respond to us. it took me personally getting on his facebook page and requesting in front of all his customers that he come back here and comment on the people that he had kept waiting for him to even show back up here. It's all plain as day in this thread, chief. This is the last time I am going to say this--stop complaining about stuff that aint even happening here.


Finally, what the mods do here is not up for debate, nor does it require your approval ahead of time. We post the rules in plain sight for all to see, and every single member here must click that they have read those rules and agree to follow them when they signed up. We do this so that there are no surprises later. Several moderators were involved in each of the cases you brought up, and a ton of effort was put into trying to get things worked out for the benefit of the members here. We did not just ban the person and leave it at that in either case. The decision took months of trying to communicate, etc etc etc.

Good day.

ioTus

iTrader: (5)

I started reading your reply, but rapidly lost interest with the name calling. You seem to be on a roll here. Maybe some time I'll come back in and read your rant, but probably not.

I apologize, I was just trying to give some suggestions to help the community.

rx7roller02

What name calling would you be referring to? The worst thing I called you was "chief" and that was near the end of the post. What is your malfunction, that you need to play make believe now? No one was calling you names, least of all me. Thanks for playing.

So, you think you can comment on a post, without having actually read it.....good to know.

How do you think it helps the community when you make up pretend scenarios, claim that they happened(even when you know first hand that they did not because you were posting in this very thread back then) because you claimed that the mods abused their authority, and then tell us we should put messages out there that were put out there already years ago?

Please, stop me when we get to the point where you "helped the community".

--you didnt apparently bother to even read the threads you spoke about.
--you clearly did not bother to notice the stickies that had already been put in place.
--then you comment on my post, while claiming you didnt read it??

Thanks for your "suggestions"....

swbtm

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Thank you for the information. Will make suspension researching a little more difficult, but not impossible.

Thanks mods also for the time for the complete explanations, not rants. Reading through the whole thread and not just the title proves what you are saying in your recent posts.