the "500 ON PUMP-AI CLUB"
09-28-08, 12:32 PM
#53
BDC Motorsports
Right, like I buy that one. I would even doubt that's an Rx7 for crying out loud. Instead of just posting a dyno sheet, how bout you include all of the specifications? This is baloney.
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09-28-08, 11:25 PM
#56
BDC Motorsports
What's the stinkin' specs already? Instead of coming in here out of literally nowhere with a dyno sheet that annihlates everyone elses yet provides literally no data, how bout show something? Ever wonder why so many of us are skeptical about this?
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09-29-08, 08:25 AM
#57
I guess you dont look at the single turbo section. It was posted there a few days ago.
https://www.rx7club.com/single-turbo-rx-7s-23/full-bridge-gt42-dyno-789741/
Full Bridge , GT4202, typical bolt ons
https://www.rx7club.com/single-turbo-rx-7s-23/full-bridge-gt42-dyno-789741/
Full Bridge , GT4202, typical bolt ons
09-29-08, 10:50 AM
#58
BDC Motorsports
If this car truly did this, then that's terrific. But call me skeptical because you've not given any details about anything other than what's posted in the thread on the single turbo section. Incase you haven't noticed, this is a section that is research-oriented and we appreciate all the numbers and data available for a given setup as we're all trying to learn how to properly harness the new world of AI. Many of us who've taken on this task have posted an overwhelming amount of information; good and bad on what all we've done. However, I've not one time seen you post anything other than making claims and now a dyno sheet that in my opinion seems padded. Many of us here have worked our tails off trying to learn about this stuff yet here you come, seemingly out of nowhere, with nearly unbelievable claims of power that decimate all of our legitimate ones (truly, this 609 or whatever hp is monumental), without giving any substantive technical data; just one-liners like "full bridge motor, GT42, Ultimate Fuel System, A1000 Pump, Twin Power, Ebay Intercooler, Pump Gas/Meth. This was 24lbs" which says nothing. Then you say that the Coolingmist controller just came on 100%. Given that alcohol is a fuel, you'd have to do a tremendous amount of fuel tuning to stagger the load between the EFI system and the AI systems to achieve whatever air/fuel ratio you're targetting; something that not only takes a considerable amount of time and isn't just a "simple bolt-on" but is also further complicated by the amount of spark curve modification to really make it all work and mesh together.
Like every single time in the past, you've shown nothing so I still don't buy it.
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Like every single time in the past, you've shown nothing so I still don't buy it.
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09-29-08, 11:42 AM
#59
If this car truly did this, then that's terrific. But call me skeptical because you've not given any details about anything other than what's posted in the thread on the single turbo section. Incase you haven't noticed, this is a section that is research-oriented and we appreciate all the numbers and data available for a given setup as we're all trying to learn how to properly harness the new world of AI. Many of us who've taken on this task have posted an overwhelming amount of information; good and bad on what all we've done. However, I've not one time seen you post anything other than making claims and now a dyno sheet that in my opinion seems padded. Many of us here have worked our tails off trying to learn about this stuff yet here you come, seemingly out of nowhere, with nearly unbelievable claims of power that decimate all of our legitimate ones (truly, this 609 or whatever hp is monumental), without giving any substantive technical data; just one-liners like "full bridge motor, GT42, Ultimate Fuel System, A1000 Pump, Twin Power, Ebay Intercooler, Pump Gas/Meth. This was 24lbs" which says nothing. Then you say that the Coolingmist controller just came on 100%. Given that alcohol is a fuel, you'd have to do a tremendous amount of fuel tuning to stagger the load between the EFI system and the AI systems to achieve whatever air/fuel ratio you're targetting; something that not only takes a considerable amount of time and isn't just a "simple bolt-on" but is also further complicated by the amount of spark curve modification to really make it all work and mesh together.
Like every single time in the past, you've shown nothing so I still don't buy it.
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Like every single time in the past, you've shown nothing so I still don't buy it.
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Gimme a break. There is a video of the run with a shot of the number on the dyno.
What info would you like? This isnt the first time I have tuned a car over 600 RWHP on pump gas and I have done many 500+, I just dont post about it.
09-29-08, 03:32 PM
#60
BDC Motorsports
Sure this isn't the first time you've tuned an over 600rwhp car on pump gas. Right. You're the magical tuner that not only obliterates all of the known limits in the tuning community but also produces all of these monumental power/torque figures even though you've got zero to offer technically (atleast not that I've ever one time seen) about any of these cars to this community and especially to this AI group. Just the same, unsubstantiated claims that go so far above and beyond what any of us have ever done yet delivered in such a cavalier, trivial manner. In the AI group, we all post and even argue over exhaustive technical information but you've not ever one time ever given anything. This and along with some of the work I've seen come out of the Rx7store shop is what drives me to be largely skeptical of the veracity of these power claims.
And, of course, you still haven't posted up much of anything about the setup of the car. Just the typical "drink the koolaid" approach -- "look at the video of the dyno, duh" and accept it without any critical examination. You'd think that if you were interested in not only merely selling parts but also helping the community out that you'd tell us exactly how this particular setup (and the other alleged 600rwhp pump gas cars you've done) was built to achieve what you've claimed it has.
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09-29-08, 06:01 PM
#61
Im not sure what is so earth shattering about the number. Have you ever tuned a full bridge GT4202 car? If so then you would know what they are capable of. Go look in the single turbo section as there is a post with one that did it at 20lbs on a Mustang Dyno, but I dont see you questioning that.
The one I tuned made over 600RWHP in our shop car. We sold it to this customer and he dropped it in his car. Like I said its typical bolt ons, nothing special with a $100 ebay intercooler. It was maxing out the injectors so he will need more fuel.
Here are a fraction of the cars I have tuned all on pump gas
http://www.rx7store.net/category_s/436.htm
I tuned one yesterday that did 510 RWHP @ 20psi , pump gas / Meth. Half bridge with a GT4094 and typical bolt ons.
500+ RWHP on pump and meth for you might be some magical formula but its easy to do with proper mods.
The one I tuned made over 600RWHP in our shop car. We sold it to this customer and he dropped it in his car. Like I said its typical bolt ons, nothing special with a $100 ebay intercooler. It was maxing out the injectors so he will need more fuel.
Here are a fraction of the cars I have tuned all on pump gas
http://www.rx7store.net/category_s/436.htm
I tuned one yesterday that did 510 RWHP @ 20psi , pump gas / Meth. Half bridge with a GT4094 and typical bolt ons.
500+ RWHP on pump and meth for you might be some magical formula but its easy to do with proper mods.
09-29-08, 07:24 PM
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the GT4202 can make over 90 pounds per minute (1300 CFM) at 24 psi. that's enough to make 700 rw rotary hp at a 2.65 pressure ratio. put some more injector in there, or better yet more alcohol and there you go. all that squares w the fact that Ross was out of injectors so that's where the tuning stopped.
what were you running plugwise in the motor? i have been running NGK 6725s 10.5s in both holes and my tops look gorgeous and my leadings always look black/oily. i think i might need a hotter lead plug... AFRs, EGTs look good.
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what were you running plugwise in the motor? i have been running NGK 6725s 10.5s in both holes and my tops look gorgeous and my leadings always look black/oily. i think i might need a hotter lead plug... AFRs, EGTs look good.
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11-08-08, 08:32 PM
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Firstly I have to say.... BDC 
Secondly 100% pump fueled car with Water Injection https://www.rx7club.com/auxiliary-injection-173/first-water-injected-600rwhp-ai-13b-799119/
Anyone who can make 600+rwhp using pump as the main component is the Don, it is just pure hard work and skill, not picking fights with others that achieves the results we all want
Secondly 100% pump fueled car with Water Injection https://www.rx7club.com/auxiliary-injection-173/first-water-injected-600rwhp-ai-13b-799119/
Anyone who can make 600+rwhp using pump as the main component is the Don, it is just pure hard work and skill, not picking fights with others that achieves the results we all want
11-10-08, 06:51 PM
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Wow, didn't even see this thread til now....would have posted a while ago had I known. (Thanks for throwin that up Jason!)
The dyno above belongs to me, and was tuned by Jason. And as it states, made 619 at 24 psi. Looks like most of the mods have been mentioned, and there have been links posted to the vids that have been put up.
Motor is full bridge, uses aviation seals. GT42 turbo, synapse wastegate, 5" downpipe to 4" exhaust. Coolingmist meth injection, smallest nozzle....
We could have gotten a bit more out of it if were simply looking to make numbers, but we kept it rather safe. We'll be back to dyno with more fuel, as well as a new lower and upper (custom) intake, and crank up the boost.
Any other questions just ask away. Thanks guys.
Heres a shot of said motor
The dyno above belongs to me, and was tuned by Jason. And as it states, made 619 at 24 psi. Looks like most of the mods have been mentioned, and there have been links posted to the vids that have been put up.
Motor is full bridge, uses aviation seals. GT42 turbo, synapse wastegate, 5" downpipe to 4" exhaust. Coolingmist meth injection, smallest nozzle....
We could have gotten a bit more out of it if were simply looking to make numbers, but we kept it rather safe. We'll be back to dyno with more fuel, as well as a new lower and upper (custom) intake, and crank up the boost.
Any other questions just ask away. Thanks guys.
Heres a shot of said motor
11-11-08, 01:44 AM
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It's beginning to get annoying having to relay things back and forth to Pete.
Why don't unban him so people can make use of his knowledge directly with the source, instead of all us supporters of the Don and his skills having to back him up.
It's quite obvious his skills are proven and look how many people are on here pumping the knowledge we have learned from him into this forum.
Give the guy a break for once
Why don't unban him so people can make use of his knowledge directly with the source, instead of all us supporters of the Don and his skills having to back him up.
It's quite obvious his skills are proven and look how many people are on here pumping the knowledge we have learned from him into this forum.
Give the guy a break for once
11-11-08, 02:25 AM
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gotham racing built a 600 some odd rwhp car on i believe 25psi, the thread about it should be somewhere in the single turbo section
people are making this real, get with the times, im even working toward it
people are making this real, get with the times, im even working toward it
11-11-08, 01:23 PM
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Plugs are NGK BTU 9's all around.
11-11-08, 06:58 PM
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While tuning, our motor made 518 RWHP at 18 psi WITHOUT any sort of AI, straight pump. The meth injection was then set to come on at 18 psi, and after further tuning the motor made 619 RWHP at 24 psi, which is where we ran out of fuel.
12-14-08, 05:54 PM
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Thanks 
This was done with 1000 primaries, 1680 secondaries...no additional injectors as of yet. As for the meth injection, one nozzle was used, which is located in the GReddy elbow just prior to the tb.
This was done with 1000 primaries, 1680 secondaries...no additional injectors as of yet. As for the meth injection, one nozzle was used, which is located in the GReddy elbow just prior to the tb.
