DigitalSynthesis

Does anybody have solid information and experience on using the SM2 on a 13BT?

This thread is a co-thread to my ECU-switching one. I'm trying to get information on the SM2 to make a solid choice between this and the TEC3.

- Does the SM2 accept a 0-5V wideband (with customizable AFR/voltage?)
- Does the SM2 allow for individual injector timing or does it only tune to AFR (which I personally consider dangerous under boost) ?
- Does the SM2 allow the use of the stock CAS and are any adapters or additional options required to make this work?
- What has been your experience with this ECU, and would you recommend it strongly to me?

And finally, where can I / should I get the ECU from if I were to go Autronic?

Thank you!

RETed

Wait till someone gets their hand on the v1.99 chip...
I don't care too much with the Electromotive crap.
I'm waiting for the v1.99 myself if Haltech doesn't turn the company around soon.


-Ted

RotaryExperimental

PM Enzo, zkeller, or RICERACING. They all run the sm2 if im not mistaken.

RICE RACING

Cant comment on the TEC product range.

The Autronic's only *bad* point is 0-1v range for WB EGA input, this used to be an issue untill Innovate Motorsports came along (read auto tuning).

You can get a special cable from them to go of the analog output of their meter (inexpensive) that solves all ground offset issues and scaling issues to be totaly comaptible with the Autronic SM2 Means you can auto tune without buying/renting and Autronic meter and do it very very cheaply.

I will be verifying this *myself* in a month or so once my new block is back together.

You can use the std CAS without mods on the V1.99chip, injector timing can be changed but I'm pretty sure not individualy thaough you can trim each injector on an individual basis.

Experiences: Very positive in my case, support used to be an issue but this has progressed laeps and bounds recently

Buying: If in America I recommend you pm Enzo250 of the forum ! Reasons, price is good and local support...

HyperRex

That's a great avatar, Ted.

zkeller

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By the way I tried to get a sub-catagory on this Forum for Autronic and was turned down my the moderator. But they have an AEM section??? Who opts for an Autronic section?

artowar

iTrader: (1)

Yes, the AEM section seems to confirm a spotty record at best.

I second the motion for an Autronic subsection. It seems that we have at least a few happy owners here, and interest from prospective buyers. A new subsection is not going to detract from anything, and it will definitely make it easier to collect relevant information.

DigitalSynthesis

I agree, even tho I don't own one. There needs to be a repository for info on this EMS.

zkeller

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The mod's stance on the Autronic sub-section was if they add Autronic, then they would have to add a bunch of others to please everyone.

Who all is running an SM2? Me, Enzo, Rice Racing, Wanklin? Soon Ted.

CCarlisi

Ted, have you had any experience with the TEC3? I've heard that everything they made before the Tec3 is marginal at best, but everybody I know that has used the Tec3 swears by it. One advantage of the Autronics unit over the Tec is that it has more aux outputs which is very useful for street cars imo.

RETed

See my reponse in the other section...

As for the subject of the thread, I want to see an Autronics section myself!

I think AEM for their own section because of some prominent Mods that were supporting the unit back in the day.

I think RICE RACING needs to push some of his weight around for this.



-Ted

artowar

iTrader: (1)

Yeah, I think that I remember hearing that before. I just don't see the problem with having 10 or 20 manufacturer-specific subsections. Anyone interested in a particular one has to create one on the fly by running a search anyway. A bit of organization here stands to benefit all of us.

C'mon RICE RACING !!

Evil Aviator

If the Autronic posts increase by a significant amount with the release of the new software, and if it looks like there is a lot of serious interest (ie actual buyers) for this product, I will request a subforum for Autronic. Until then, I think the posts are best handled in the general part of this forum with the rest of the low-volume EMS traffic and the general EMS threads. Contrary to popular conspiracy theories, I keep it this way to HELP those interested in the less-popular EMS products by placing relative posts in an active forum as opposed to hiding them in an inactive forum.

Yes, I am considering getting rid of the AEM subforum, just in case you were wondering. The more subforums, the more difficult it is for me to moderate, and the more difficult for you guys to navigate.

The bottom line is that only the Administrators can add and delete forums, so it's not really up to the Moderators, anyway.

The RX-7 Store was selling them. Also, there WAS a lot of AEM EMS thread volume at the time the subforum was created. A side issue is that the AEM USA and AEM AUS (Wolf) terms cause a lot of confusion if they are in the same forum, and Wolf did not have a forum until recently when I requested the S-AFC forum.

It would be at least 24 more subforums in addition to what is already there. If you don't see any problem with that, then you are quite welcome to start your own EMS internet forum and manage it however you like. I am sure you will see why it is not practical after a few weeks.

The general EMS forum works just fine, and the existence of this particular thread proves it. Many of the subforum requests are from those who would not even visit the forum themselves, much like how you may have noticed that many people on this forum show interest in a particular new product, but then don't buy it once it is produced. Additionally, I get many requests for subforms by vendors so that they can have a back-door method to advertise for free on this forum, and/or use this forum's assets as a host for their business. They even so kindly volunteer to moderate the subforum, lol.

ORX705

me

artowar

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I'm not interested in running a forum, but I am interested in using this one. I believe that consolidating the Autronic postings would be good for the users, even if it is inconvenient for the mods. However, you are correct on at least one point-- I don't see a problem with additional subsections (actually, *one* additional subsection) largely because you are moderating this section.

Hopefully, the new chip & software will result in enough new message posts that a new subsection is created. In the meantime, I'll continue foraging for information...

zkeller

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It looks like the Wold 3d section has very little traffic too, but I understand.

I think the release of the new software will accelerate Autronic into the rotary market. You get the quality equal to that of Motec, at a fraction of the price.

RICE RACING

Like all things in life, there is more that goes on behind the scene's that we will ever know about Honestly I dont care for the commercial reasons why there is no Autronic forum for users and potential users, suffice to say that its a shame for the reasons that I have herd.

Keep up the "battle" and hopefully useless pieces of **** like the AEM *waste of space* sub section can be trashed in favour of Autronic.

Tune in to SEMA & go to the Autronic both, meet some good guys like Enzo etc and see what all the fuss is about. Like others have said, damn fine product and its a shame even the "interest" shown on here cant be converted into a pissy little sub forum for enthusiasts/users/potential users........ the product unlike other rubbish definatley deserves it.

Evil Aviator

LOL, that subforum was added due to a miscommunication on my part, and a certain Admin's EMS preference. However, the end result is a separation between AEM USA and AEM AUS, which was my original intent. This is also one of the reasons that I am still mulling over whether to keep the AEM forum. We had a lot of problems with people trying to troubleshoot one EMS, and getting responses from other members thinking it was the other brand... not good.

Hopefully, but Autronic has never been cheap. In some ways I guess that's a good thing, though. Motec made a lot of hype about its "budget" M400 and M600, and I think you know how that idea worked out in the el-cheapo RX-7 market.

https://www.rx7club.com/search.php
Key Word(s): Autronic
Search in Forum(s): Engine Management Forum
> Search Now

Total elapsed time approx 20 seconds. You can take an additional 3 seconds to Search Titles Only if you want to narrow the search.

RICE RACING

Well I have had my 2 cents worth of input, hopefully it will happen.......... The rotary community that frequent here deserve to know about it and just how damn good it is

Fingers crossed

enzo250

There should be a subforum for Autronic.

If it's not done now it will be done in the future for sure.
Autronic has many new products that will be available very soon.
And like all Autronic products their Top Quality at affordable prices

artowar

iTrader: (1)

Or you could reduce the load on the servers by organizing the information as we requested.

Evil Aviator

Our server was recently upgraded, and is now capable of handling all 15 of the Autronic-titled threads in the EMS forum since 2001.

RICE RACING

No need to trivialize current interest, I generated most of this, I got Enzo started on the product. You will find its acceptance in your country will go exponential if the people that be on this forum pull their finger out of the *** and give it a hand just as they have to many other "lesser" makes of circuit boards.

Like I said make a joke of the demand at your own expence, people inthe industry that know about real computers know haow damn good Autronic are and where they fit in the market place.

Its a real shame that quality company is blocked out from what appears to be a decent site set up for enthusiasts to choose the best products.

If you think Autronic cant satisfy a large sector of the rotary market, then you are sadley living in a dream world, stop promoting rubbish alternatives and give quality a chance for the masses that would not know otherwise

enzo250

They could ignore it all they want. Real Users know just how good Autronic is.

Goto www.efi101.com. Check out there forum they have subforums for many ecu types.
Autronic is one of them. You'll find some good info there.

Evil Aviator

Autronic has never been "blocked out". You, or anybody else, are welcome to perform a Search and see that Autronic posts have been allowed on this forum for at least as long as I have moderated this forum. There is not now, nor has there ever been, a policy to block Autronic posts. The same goes for every other brand of EMS on the market, regardless of quality or popularity. I really think that your zeal has turned into paranoia at this point, and blaming moderators or admins for the lack of posts is both irresponsible and completely unfounded. Please police yourself.

Thread closed. Please send any further forum suggestions via PM. Those who wish to post about the subject of Autronic products are welcome to start another thread, just like they have been for many years now.