bajaman

Hi all.
I don't know if this is a sensitive subject or not, forgive me if it is, I mean no disrespect.
I was just curious on how most Australians look at Aborigines? Are they looked down upon, or do they have respect from the people as being the native tribesmen?

In the U.S. of course, the American Indians are still treated with disdain, kept on government reservations for the most part, and have pretty much lost all ties with their ancient heritage. Drug and alcohol abuse are very common, along with criminal activities. They seem to be a people doomed to extinction, ultimately.

So how do the Aborigines compare?

Thanks in advance for any replies.

DMRH

Almost all the {edited for derogatory slang} in the cities are a problem. Living in housing commision areas mostly we know not to venture into those areas unless we want our cars broken into or to be mugged or worse.

Occasionally you come across some good ones in the cities but they are the exception, not the rule.

{edited for derogatory slang} out in the bush are so self destructive that the Gov has moved into townships to take control. Remove all the alcohol & put programs in place to erradicate the sexual abuse of the kids that is rife amongst their communities.

The polished look you see of the tourist loving {edited for derogatory slang} is a rare sight indeed & again the exception.

If you even park your car in certain area's of the city (close to their housing commision area's) then you will have your car broken into & equipment stolen so the little 12-15 year old drug addict scum can feed their habits.

You may find comment on this subject hard as white Australians are scared to express their views fearing the "Racist" label. Its unfortunate that telling the truth about {edited for derogatory slang} or Muslims etc brands you a racist when the white Australian is the most "tolerant" race of people in Australia

REVERE

Exactly the same, however our government perpetuated the situation by giving monetary handouts in the name of “Equality”
Aboriginals have become so complacent with this money that they have no motivation to get a job or positively contribute to society.
My view is that they would greatly benefit from true equality (no handouts), want a car or a house or booze go and work for it like the rest of us.

bajaman

Thanks for the replies, guys. Very insightful.

novAchiLd

It's not that they are a bad race of people, it's that like the Native Americans they were not introduce to Drugs and Alcohol until white man came to the country. Their bodies took it as a very large shock and until this day it remains the same. FACT their bodies can not handle drugs and alcohol because they have not had thousands of years to adapted to these substances, they are easily addicted to these substances and it has a VERY large effect on them.

ORX705

lol are you joking?


the problem is the handouts just like white trash on hand outs. it's a mistake which happens all over the world and we keep doing it. ease back the support and let them support themselves. with that pride will come back. there are a lot of good Aborignials out there and that's because they have gone out and made something of themselves


and despite what DMRH says its not just Aborignals who steel your **** in cities. the majority of those are white

novAchiLd

What I said was only part of the problem, not all of it. You finished it off nicely

ezraaspland

To be honest where I live there isn't many aboriginal people. Which is neither a good nor a bad thing. In fact I only just realized it reading through this thread. novAchiLd is spot on. Some of you might think it sounds like a load of crap. But it's not. Because we have European descendants who have been drinking since forever our bodies are more adapted to the changes alcohol causes. Where as because it is relatively new for them it can get abused in some cases.

Slides

To be honest what the other guys have said is most often the case

the vast majority of aboriginals or those claiming aboriginality (note in aus you can get benefits including 0 or very low % home loans etc and you can be blond and blue eyed while doing it) are in the lower socio-economic brakets.

They are far, far overrepresented in the prison population as well.

Just a shitty situation really as the treatment dished out by settlers has resulted in continuing cycles of abuse and lost hope

bajaman

So I take it none of you have Aboriginal friends or associates? What about people like 'Neville' in 'Crocodile Dundee', lol? Meaning an obviously well integrated "normal" person that still keeps to his Aboriginal roots via occasional tribal celebrations?

dragFD

well i used to work with an aborigonal guy and he was a very good bloke he didnt drink much and didnt get up to much trouble like the majority of them seem to.alot of comments people have made here is true and i dont have much respect for them either.there are a few that are good blokes maybe abit like that guy in the movie you mentioned.but then there are the other 99% that we all see everyday robbing,stealing assaulting people and vandilising everything they see including buses,trains,public places,shops,buisnesses,peoples cars,peoples houses and ive even seen them assaulting old pensioners outside my house one day.i was going to go out side an beat the **** out of all of them with my nun chuckers but knew they would just keep coming back to try to get back at me.im not sure i need my car or house set on fire whilst at work or something cause i was trying to do the right thing.they are trash.this is why i and most other australians dont respect them.it will take many years to sort their people out.i cant see why they cant fit in with society when there are many people from other countrys that have migrated here that get on with everyone and work for a living and by a house etc.they cant just keep making excuses and saying we are racists and are the cause of their problems.there are many veitnamese,chinese,japanese,indian,muslum,italian, english, american, spanish, african people here and have came from different life styles that have all managed to fit in.the africans are black and fit in too.so its proof that its got nothing to do with skin colour.i dont beleive im racist as i have nothing against people that are black.yet i dont like aborigonals.its just all the trouble and problems they cause for people.

Havoc

I wouldnt saw I know any like that.

Most cant even speak their native language any more.
I live in perth, but do a lot of work in Derby. Big difference between the two. But there are lots of nice Aboriginals around, but most Ive meet are tools. But what do you expect.

We give them constant hand outs. cars, houses and then we expect respect back ? Its just like a spoilt kid you wont teach them by giving them everything.

The ones Ive gone to school with where good blokes, kicked *** at footy. But really they where white (brought up with foster family and with white values)

Its the ones that get brought up expecting everything, and that every white guy ow's them someone because we took their land are generally the dick head's.

Drugs and Alcohol are rife in all country towns of any race as there is nothing bloody to do(and no jobs), and they can get there hands on it easily. but the Aboriginals do react worse.

dont know what the solution is, I dont think there is one. but i think money shouldnt be handed out, not so it can be spend on beer and ciggies. More like a food voucher system and rent assistance only. (Rent in Derby is near 1000+ dollars a week for a 300K house !!)

bajaman

Sounds much like the United States Welfare program that is so abused by a lot of Blacks. It encourages these women to have more and more kids so they can collect a bigger check from the government. And...as you say, anything that is just given instead of earned is basically abused.

Thanks again for the insightful comments. And please keep them coming.

rotordave

iTrader: (1)

In the same way that American Indians are (apparently) falsely shown to be culture-rich, wise, land-loving people full of integrity, so too are Aborigines to the outside world, to tourists visiting Australia, and most horrifyingly - to children in public schools.

Many of the white people in Australia that do not share the opinions given in this thread simply have not experienced what its like to come into contact with Aborigines - these people are sheltered and do not have a right to comment. I've experienced what it can be like in the inner City of Sydney and the West of Sydney, and it is not pretty.

I did have a friend in High School who was half Aborigine and he was a fair dinkum bloke, for the most part. They once awarded him a prize at school for his achievements, but he refused to accept it. I couldn't understand why, until he told me it was an award only for Aboriginals - and he was the only one in the year! He said it was racist. There aren't many around like him.

They are given free entry to university, and their benefits are not means tested - meaning they can receive government benefits even if they earn a decent living. Effectively, the government gives them money for being Aboriginals, and thats not equal.

Its that inequality, and their social behaviour that is the cause for the views most Australians have.

There was a politician that went public with these views - the public supported her, but the media did not, and they destroyed her for it. Then, like sheep, the public of course followed the media's lead. There was noting racist about her policies, on the contrary - they promoted equality for all Australians. That's what the country needs if anythings going to change.

BigWillieStyles

They had everything, and now they have nothing.

I see them as an important part of Australia's identity, culture and the true owners of Australia.

Using racist labels is sign of someone who has a lack of education.

This is the second time you have been rascist!

Can i ask what you consider your identity? Do you consider yourself Irish or Greek or English. Take my family for example, i am a 1/4 greek and 3/4s irish. But i consider myself Greek. If someone is half Aboriginal, then they are still aboriginal. And they do have to prove their descent.

BigWillieStyles

Its funny how people immediately assume race is the problem. Its not, being Aboriginal doesnt mean that a person will commit a crime. What you are experiencing is the effects of poverty and depression. A white person suffering in the same situation would make the same mistake.

Well considering that Australia was once their land, and they have never received compensation, i think its well justified. They deserve alot more too in my opinion. There communities need help, and need to be helped out of poverty.

Inequality? What a load of crap. People from poorer communities always receive benefits to allow them to overcome challenges. My friend at university received a what is referred to as a "poor boy scholarship", this essentially pays for his University degree as his parents had a very low income. He wasnt Aboriginal, yet you dont hear people complaining about that.

People receive benefits for a range of things which are there to provide help to overcome challenges.

adamtassell

Ouch, This is a very tricky topic, and my screen name is my real name, so I will try not to offend. I spend a bit of time in the juvenile prisons in perth with the kids in there. They are 99-100% aboriginal. They make up the entire population at different times. I think it is very easy to simplify the situation, and that there are a number of good points made above, and most of them have some truth in them.

The kids in the prison have extremely poor role models. They have almost no chance of develping normal social skills and becoming "normal" adults. Their idea of right and wrong is completely warped. They are not inherently bad, but they have been taught from a very young age to behve in a certain fashion. Given the same example I would probably do the same.

w_opt7

iTrader: (4)

This statement "Sounds much like the United States Welfare program that is so abused by a lot of Blacks" is a sterotype. You are only talking about what the schools teach you and the media.

jshiz

iTrader: (4)

The more in more i read your posts, the more I think you absolutely have no idea what you're talking about. In terms of percentage with the population, there are a greater percentage of black people on welfare than white, but number wise, there are just as many white people on welfare as black people.

These guys are exploring it
http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TS6CBT754MKNC4E90

Here's something else
http://www.msu.edu/user/skourtes/myths.html

You can look up welfare Stats and find that Montana has alot of people on welfare and that place is almost void of black people

With the racial problems in Austrailia, you can surf the internet and find all kinds of stuff that proves what most of these guys are saying. You can search youtube and find racial "wars" on this topic. It's insane

DMRH

Amusing yet typical day for country town police saving another drunken Abo from killing himself.

Drunken Abo jumper falls into Fire truck trying to (reluctantly?) save him

>> Live leak video <<

>>Abo drug & sex abuse video <<

REgards

novAchiLd

I am half Australian and Half Greek. I call myself a Greek because of my beliefs and religion. I see where you are comming from.