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01-23-04, 08:52 PM
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just bought a koyo
hey i just bought a koyo for my 20b project... and i was wondering if they normally come with anything more than the core? like brackets etc? it just came in the mail today
01-23-04, 09:47 PM
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ill have to fabricate brackets to stand it up though.... its gonna be going in with a FMIC........ my only problem is that im getting low on funds and want to stick w/ the stock 20b intercooler till i get it running.... then ill add a 3row greaddy or equivalant.... but i need lots of stuff and need to put that $1400 into a clutch, flywheel, new waterpump, a hood and paint under the hood cause an engine fire wreaked havoc before i bought the car.
oh yeah, then theres all the fuel stuff..... anyway, i want to mount the rad. as it will be mounted w/ a FMIC but dont i need the FMIC first to figure out the placement of everything before i go bolting things to the frame? i feel like i should hold off till i can get the FMIC but im antsy to get everything mounted..... and then spend 2 years trying to get it to run
what would you do in my situation? (and dont say buy an ls1! im pointing at you jimlab
) put everything on hold? or just start slapping parts in?
oh yeah, then theres all the fuel stuff..... anyway, i want to mount the rad. as it will be mounted w/ a FMIC but dont i need the FMIC first to figure out the placement of everything before i go bolting things to the frame? i feel like i should hold off till i can get the FMIC but im antsy to get everything mounted..... and then spend 2 years trying to get it to run
what would you do in my situation? (and dont say buy an ls1! im pointing at you jimlab
) put everything on hold? or just start slapping parts in?
01-23-04, 09:50 PM
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Start slapping parts in man.
Fabricating brackets hardly requires a MILL like Jim has.
I've done all fabrication for my parts using a simple scroll-saw, hacksaw, grinders, and a drill - with generally available aluninum. No it isn't pro, but it isn't crap either.
Fabricating brackets hardly requires a MILL like Jim has.
I've done all fabrication for my parts using a simple scroll-saw, hacksaw, grinders, and a drill - with generally available aluninum. No it isn't pro, but it isn't crap either.
01-23-04, 09:59 PM
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whats the best way to make a straight bend... like for making brackets out of aluminum and such? i know theres a special press type thing that will give you perfect bends @ perfect angles.. but its only aluminum so maybe if i get enough leverage on it in a vice grip?
yeah, im almost through the parts collecting phase of the project and starting to get into having to fab stuff, or have it fabbed. basically ill be able to do the brackets, but ill need to find some place in nor cal to make me some coustom aluminum intake pipes, and a coustom DP to mate w/ the stock exhaust. i think that should be about all the fab work needed to get the 20b mounted as i already have the new subframe. now getting it running.... HA! im sure youll be hearing about how that goes...... there are SO MANY WIRES in the cosmo.... its literally mind boggling! ill post some pictures at some point..... it will make you want to cry.
hey clayne, just wondering where in norcal are you?
yeah, im almost through the parts collecting phase of the project and starting to get into having to fab stuff, or have it fabbed. basically ill be able to do the brackets, but ill need to find some place in nor cal to make me some coustom aluminum intake pipes, and a coustom DP to mate w/ the stock exhaust. i think that should be about all the fab work needed to get the 20b mounted as i already have the new subframe. now getting it running.... HA! im sure youll be hearing about how that goes...... there are SO MANY WIRES in the cosmo.... its literally mind boggling! ill post some pictures at some point..... it will make you want to cry.
hey clayne, just wondering where in norcal are you?
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01-23-04, 10:41 PM
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If you want to bend aluminum to make brackets (Home Depot sells aluminum) just use a bench vise and a hammer. Use a rag or something to protect from bad dents... You san sand out scratches in aluminum very easy. 
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01-23-04, 11:07 PM
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thats my one worry though..... weight is quickly becoming my enemy w/ the 20b..... its a real pig! the battery will go in a bin.... but is there any thing else that i can move to the back hhehe.... oh well, ill see how much the new motor screws up the weight distrib. and then just complain about it BTW.... i think a nicely done 13b may in fact be a better option but i cant turn back now. live and learn i guess
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Yep,
Aluminum is very easy to work with!
These are simple block off plates I made out of 1/8" and 1/16" aluminum plates available at Home Depot.
As far as making bends, you have options. Sometimes aluminum channel is a better one (90 degree angles pre-cut). But if not, use a vise and a set of pliers, vice-grips, hammer, etc. to bend the aluminum. Finishing the surface is very easy to do.
Not finished, but I built simple bracketry with plates, saw, and drill:
Polishing of metal? This was one piece of 120 grit sand-paper and a wire-brush on the stock air pump bracket (just for fun). There is absolutely no need or reason to have a perfect polish on things:
Aluminum is very easy to work with!
These are simple block off plates I made out of 1/8" and 1/16" aluminum plates available at Home Depot.
As far as making bends, you have options. Sometimes aluminum channel is a better one (90 degree angles pre-cut). But if not, use a vise and a set of pliers, vice-grips, hammer, etc. to bend the aluminum. Finishing the surface is very easy to do.
Not finished, but I built simple bracketry with plates, saw, and drill:
Polishing of metal? This was one piece of 120 grit sand-paper and a wire-brush on the stock air pump bracket (just for fun). There is absolutely no need or reason to have a perfect polish on things:
01-23-04, 11:12 PM
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Once you start fabbing up simple brackets and purchase a decent drill bit/tap/die set you'll see all kinds of options using simple procedures that aren't even close to CNC/milling craziness.
01-24-04, 12:00 AM
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Originally posted by RotorMotor
thats my one worry though..... weight is quickly becoming my enemy w/ the 20b..... its a real pig! the battery will go in a bin.... but is there any thing else that i can move to the back hhehe.... oh well, ill see how much the new motor screws up the weight distrib. and then just complain about it BTW.... i think a nicely done 13b may in fact be a better option but i cant turn back now. live and learn i guess
thats my one worry though..... weight is quickly becoming my enemy w/ the 20b..... its a real pig! the battery will go in a bin.... but is there any thing else that i can move to the back hhehe.... oh well, ill see how much the new motor screws up the weight distrib. and then just complain about it BTW.... i think a nicely done 13b may in fact be a better option but i cant turn back now. live and learn i guess
but you are right about the 13b, but just think of crazy power from a stock engine. good luck
01-24-04, 12:23 AM
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Fabricating brackets hardly requires a MILL like Jim has.
Fabricating brackets hardly requires a MILL like Jim has.
BTW, Eastwood Company and other vendors have sheet metal brake dies that you can mount on a vise to bend sheet metal at up to a 180 degree angle.
http://www.eastwoodcompany.com/itemd...1.x=63&I1.y=25
http://www.grizzly.com/products/item...emnumber=H3245
If you're going to be doing a lot of bending and want a wider range of angles and larger capacity, you can buy one of the smaller sheet metal brakes like these...
http://www.grizzly.com/products/item...emnumber=G0556
http://www.grizzly.com/products/item...emnumber=G0557
http://www.grizzly.com/products/item...emnumber=G7147
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I'd love to have your mill Jim, not picking on it - I think it's great.
But you of all people know it is way easier than people think to make your own brackets, mounts, etc.
The amount of fear people have about making their own custom stuff is comical - it's not THAT hard.
I hope to learn MIG and TIG eventually.
BTW: You should buy this one Jim:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=25276
But you of all people know it is way easier than people think to make your own brackets, mounts, etc.
The amount of fear people have about making their own custom stuff is comical - it's not THAT hard.
I hope to learn MIG and TIG eventually.
BTW: You should buy this one Jim:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=25276
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Originally posted by clayne
I'd love to have your mill Jim, not picking on it - I think it's great.
But you of all people know it is way easier than people think to make your own brackets, mounts, etc.
The amount of fear people have about making their own custom stuff is comical - it's not THAT hard.
I hope to learn MIG and TIG eventually.
BTW: You should buy this one Jim:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=25276
I'd love to have your mill Jim, not picking on it - I think it's great.
But you of all people know it is way easier than people think to make your own brackets, mounts, etc.
The amount of fear people have about making their own custom stuff is comical - it's not THAT hard.
I hope to learn MIG and TIG eventually.
BTW: You should buy this one Jim:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=25276
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Mounting brackets:
Trust me, these looked F'd up when I was finished cutting, drilling, measuring, test-fitting them. Plenty of scratches and abrasions...
1 package of 3M Emery Metal Sandpaper (coarse/medium/fine) + a metal brush - about 8$ total.
Can you believe I had only a battery Dewalt and no drill press? Talk about align, align, align...
Trust me, these looked F'd up when I was finished cutting, drilling, measuring, test-fitting them. Plenty of scratches and abrasions...
1 package of 3M Emery Metal Sandpaper (coarse/medium/fine) + a metal brush - about 8$ total.
Can you believe I had only a battery Dewalt and no drill press? Talk about align, align, align...
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yeah brackets should be fairly easy.... so aluminum is definatly the metal of choice right? what thickness are you using for ic etc? i guess it depends on the application....
also, i have to figure out how or where to fab some coustom intake pipes, and a coustom DP.... any suggestions???
also, i have to figure out how or where to fab some coustom intake pipes, and a coustom DP.... any suggestions???