View Poll Results: Would you like a V-Mount Intercooler setup?
Yes, definitely!
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Maybe depends on price.
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Maybe depends on compatibility with stock/aftermarket turbos
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No, never.
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Interest : V-Mount Intercooler set-up
02-10-04, 05:23 PM
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Interest : V-Mount Intercooler set-up
Hey everybody, just a little background. I'm AJ with SSR Engineering and some of you may recognize our Turbo Kit for the RX-8 or other Turbo kits for various new cars. I'm here today to gauge interest in a new product. How would you guys like a V-Mount or HMIC Intercooler set-up?
Depending on the response you give or option you poll (please post a reply explaining why, except for "yes, definitely")
Depending on the response you give or option you poll (please post a reply explaining why, except for "yes, definitely")
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02-10-04, 05:46 PM
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There are already v-mount kits on the market. To compete with those, you are going to have to:
*offer comparable IC core size
*offer high quality radiator (Koyo, etc)
*kit should be able to keep power steering and air conditioning
*kit should not require any hacking to the crossmember or frame of car
*for stock twin turbo applications, you should provide an airbox
*kit must include shielding to direct air
*kit must sell at $2350 or less, which is Rotary Extreme's price
Frankly, accomplishing all of the above without directly copying RE's or HKS's kit will be very difficult.
*offer comparable IC core size
*offer high quality radiator (Koyo, etc)
*kit should be able to keep power steering and air conditioning
*kit should not require any hacking to the crossmember or frame of car
*for stock twin turbo applications, you should provide an airbox
*kit must include shielding to direct air
*kit must sell at $2350 or less, which is Rotary Extreme's price
Frankly, accomplishing all of the above without directly copying RE's or HKS's kit will be very difficult.
02-10-04, 07:51 PM
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Well, obviously, the basics of any v-mount would be the same...but there are certainly differences between the HKS and RE kits for example. I consider a direct copy as buying someone else's kit and actually producing the same brackets and everything....
02-10-04, 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by rynberg
There are already v-mount kits on the market. To compete with those, you are going to have to:
*offer comparable IC core size
*offer high quality radiator (Koyo, etc)
*kit should be able to keep power steering and air conditioning
*kit should not require any hacking to the crossmember or frame of car
*for stock twin turbo applications, you should provide an airbox
*kit must include shielding to direct air
*kit must sell at $2350 or less, which is Rotary Extreme's price
Frankly, accomplishing all of the above without directly copying RE's or HKS's kit will be very difficult.
There are already v-mount kits on the market. To compete with those, you are going to have to:
*offer comparable IC core size
*offer high quality radiator (Koyo, etc)
*kit should be able to keep power steering and air conditioning
*kit should not require any hacking to the crossmember or frame of car
*for stock twin turbo applications, you should provide an airbox
*kit must include shielding to direct air
*kit must sell at $2350 or less, which is Rotary Extreme's price
Frankly, accomplishing all of the above without directly copying RE's or HKS's kit will be very difficult.
*radiator should be able to use stock radiator fan and bracket assembly, and fit without any clearance issues.
02-10-04, 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by Kento
Also to add:
*radiator should be able to use stock radiator fan and bracket assembly, and fit without any clearance issues.
Also to add:
*radiator should be able to use stock radiator fan and bracket assembly, and fit without any clearance issues.
Also, provide some meaningful feedback from a prototype customer (guinea pig) before marketing the kit, preferably track-based data.
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02-10-04, 09:28 PM
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The fitment wouldn't be a problem because we don't need to use an oversized Greddy or HKS style core, (depending on the application). But instead we could use a moderate spearco core supportive of upto 5-600HP.
02-10-04, 10:16 PM
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Keep it around 1800 bucks and you'd have a winner!
But, that's gonna be a bit difficult in reality. however, as XtremeHKS mentioned that smaller cores will be used, it might be posible.
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But, that's gonna be a bit difficult in reality. however, as XtremeHKS mentioned that smaller cores will be used, it might be posible.
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02-10-04, 10:19 PM
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here is one of the vmounts on the market now...idk if you know about it
http://www.rotaryextreme.com/vmountmain.html
there was also an HMIC made by the same company a couple years ago, but it was discontinued, i'm not sure why, but i think that a vented hood was needed to have it work efficiently or properly, i'm not positive though, do a search for HMIC or horizontal intercooler and you should find a lot of information on this forum...
http://www.rotaryextreme.com/vmountmain.html
there was also an HMIC made by the same company a couple years ago, but it was discontinued, i'm not sure why, but i think that a vented hood was needed to have it work efficiently or properly, i'm not positive though, do a search for HMIC or horizontal intercooler and you should find a lot of information on this forum...
02-10-04, 10:58 PM
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Originally posted by XtremeHKS
The fitment wouldn't be a problem because we don't need to use an oversized Greddy or HKS style core, (depending on the application). But instead we could use a moderate spearco core supportive of upto 5-600HP.
The fitment wouldn't be a problem because we don't need to use an oversized Greddy or HKS style core, (depending on the application). But instead we could use a moderate spearco core supportive of upto 5-600HP.
02-11-04, 07:51 PM
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When I was at an autoshow a year ago, I talked to a guy who had a show 7. He said there was another company in Chicago, I think, that made a V-mount also.
When I was at an autoshow a year ago, I talked to a guy who had a show 7. He said there was another company in Chicago, I think, that made a V-mount also.
I've been thinking about coming out with it for awhile.
-Sean
02-11-04, 09:17 PM
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Originally posted by POM HB
Keep it around 1800 bucks and you'd have a winner!
But, that's gonna be a bit difficult in reality. however, as XtremeHKS mentioned that smaller cores will be used, it might be posible.
POM HB
Keep it around 1800 bucks and you'd have a winner!
But, that's gonna be a bit difficult in reality. however, as XtremeHKS mentioned that smaller cores will be used, it might be posible.
POM HB
02-11-04, 09:22 PM
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Yea i would say 1600 for the HKS V-mount is a good deal. I am planning on making one for myself also out of my HKS front mount intercooler. Rotary Extreme told me it is the same core just iwth different end tank. I just gotta fab some brackets and intercooler pipes. Shouldn't be much to do now that I already have the IC and radiator.
02-11-04, 11:54 PM
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Originally posted by Nameless
1600? Show me where you can get it for that price. That'd be news to me.
1600? Show me where you can get it for that price. That'd be news to me.
02-12-04, 10:16 AM
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Just in general terms, since most intercoolers are around $1350, and most upgraded radiators are around $350-$400 these days, i'm failing to see the value-added that justifies a $2500 price tag for a V-mount intercooler/radiator combo. Is there really $800 worth of relocation brackets, hoses, and fittings in there?
I think alot more would get sold at around $1900 for the combo
I think alot more would get sold at around $1900 for the combo
02-12-04, 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by ptrhahn
Just in general terms, since most intercoolers are around $1350, and most upgraded radiators are around $350-$400 these days, i'm failing to see the value-added that justifies a $2500 price tag for a V-mount intercooler/radiator combo. Is there really $800 worth of relocation brackets, hoses, and fittings in there?
I think alot more would get sold at around $1900 for the combo
Just in general terms, since most intercoolers are around $1350, and most upgraded radiators are around $350-$400 these days, i'm failing to see the value-added that justifies a $2500 price tag for a V-mount intercooler/radiator combo. Is there really $800 worth of relocation brackets, hoses, and fittings in there?
I think alot more would get sold at around $1900 for the combo
*ASP IC -- $1500
*Greddy elbow -- $150
*Koyo -- $375
= $2025
On the RE, you are paying only $275 for a customized Koyo, new hoses, brackets, and shielding. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
02-12-04, 12:41 PM
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For the RE kit, for 2350 you get the IC and Rad. You have pay another 40 for the clamps, 125 for the radiator hoses, and another 125 for the elbo. Thats $2640. So, its really that vs. $2000 for the ASP large, which is a very similarly-sized core.
I would think the expense of the fiberglass duct in a regular IC (virtually the only reason you couldn't do it yourself for significantly cheaper) would be of roughly the same cost as the brackets and sheilding for the V.
I would think the expense of the fiberglass duct in a regular IC (virtually the only reason you couldn't do it yourself for significantly cheaper) would be of roughly the same cost as the brackets and sheilding for the V.
02-12-04, 01:17 PM
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Originally posted by ptrhahn
For the RE kit, for 2350 you get the IC and Rad. You have pay another 40 for the clamps, 125 for the radiator hoses, and another 125 for the elbo. Thats $2640. So, its really that vs. $2000 for the ASP large, which is a very similarly-sized core.
For the RE kit, for 2350 you get the IC and Rad. You have pay another 40 for the clamps, 125 for the radiator hoses, and another 125 for the elbo. Thats $2640. So, its really that vs. $2000 for the ASP large, which is a very similarly-sized core.
02-12-04, 03:16 PM
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An added snippet. The ASP IC's are $1300 right now with the group buy and that includes working with the airpump. There will still be a little delay before officially opening it, we're waiting on the cast pipes to be made and one last M2 logo we need removed from the website since we don't want that name to be associated with my IC's for various reasons.
Peter is right about the duct as well. Creating an original pattern to make molds from is expensive if done professionally and very time consuming. A V-mount would be much easier for a private party to copy accurately. I'm holding for a 5 page response to Peters post. : ).
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Peter is right about the duct as well. Creating an original pattern to make molds from is expensive if done professionally and very time consuming. A V-mount would be much easier for a private party to copy accurately. I'm holding for a 5 page response to Peters post. : ).
Kevin T. Wyum