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Old 09-21-15, 08:54 PM
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All of us set certain goals when we started modding our cars. I think there are very few of us that reached those goals, and are satisfied once they have been attained. I couldn't be happier with my car, and it has been at this state of modification for about 8 years. Its quick, comfortable, reliable, quiet, and it doesn't stink.

I don't even have to throw gobs of money at it any more !!!!!!
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I like the list that Fritz provided in Post #40.... I'd add wheels and tires, but that would be about it.

As much as I like to keep the cars stock, with the FD it seems that leaving them stock is like a ticking time bomb.... engineering defects, especially the radiator, downpipe,and overall heat management, will lead to engine failure (either directly or indirectly) unless rectified.

In addition, you have to be systematic; for example, you just can't change the downpipe without additional mods, else creating extra boost for which the engine isn't prepared to handle (see engine failure referenced above). DItto a basic performance mod like cat-back or an Intake.

It's very unique; you have to be quite calculating when making the mods.

I know many cars have specific failures over time. It's not unique to the FD (I can provide specific examples with the NSX that almost every owner much resolve at one point or another). It's just with the FD the damage is so extreme.

Al least it's not a 911 (circa 1999-2008) with the dreaded IMS issue.

By the way, as I sit here visiting NoCal, I swear that there is more Porsche vehicles on the road than all the domestics combined. That has been a shock.
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I have an E bay shifter it came with the car haha , and my old trans had the stock shifter . I didnt mind the stock shifter at first , but now after getting used to the short shifter .. I like it quite a bit more .


Except for occasionally going into 5th instead of third... and it rattles at high rpm lol
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Originally Posted by Tem120
I have an E bay shifter it came with the car haha , and my old trans had the stock shifter . I didnt mind the stock shifter at first , but now after getting used to the short shifter .. I like it quite a bit more .


Except for occasionally going into 5th instead of third... and it rattles at high rpm lol
Eric if you have one of the shifters with the raised collar similar to mazdatrix etc... you can either get a new little circular spring thing or even put two in it and that should stop the rattling.

If it's the B&M type it may simply be hitting the trans opening area and you can widened that with a crow bar etc...
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Originally Posted by pjr
I like the list that Fritz provided in Post #40.... I'd add wheels and tires, but that would be about it.

As much as I like to keep the cars stock, with the FD it seems that leaving them stock is like a ticking time bomb.... engineering defects, especially the radiator, downpipe,and overall heat management, will lead to engine failure (either directly or indirectly) unless rectified.

In addition, you have to be systematic; for example, you just can't change the downpipe without additional mods, else creating extra boost for which the engine isn't prepared to handle (see engine failure referenced above). DItto a basic performance mod like cat-back or an Intake.

It's very unique; you have to be quite calculating when making the mods.

I know many cars have specific failures over time. It's not unique to the FD (I can provide specific examples with the NSX that almost every owner much resolve at one point or another). It's just with the FD the damage is so extreme.

Al least it's not a 911 (circa 1999-2008) with the dreaded IMS issue.

By the way, as I sit here visiting NoCal, I swear that there is more Porsche vehicles on the road than all the domestics combined. That has been a shock.
Yep

And for the record light mods would be a catback, intake and short shifter

It's seems we don't think the FD is heavily modded until the power is doubled LOL
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Originally Posted by adam c
All of us set certain goals when we started modding our cars. I think there are very few of us that reached those goals, and are satisfied once they have been attained. I couldn't be happier with my car, and it has been at this state of modification for about 8 years. Its quick, comfortable, reliable, quiet, and it doesn't stink.

I don't even have to throw gobs of money at it any more !!!!!!
Yep perfectly modded FD for street enjoyment and reliability
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It's seems we don't think the FD is heavily modded until the power is doubled LOL


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So true! As long as its still on stock sequential turbos it is a "light mod" FD.

Though the irony is, it probably took many hours work getting/keeping that stock sequential system working over all these years and with the addition of various modifications.

There are so many parts available for the FD and FDs have been such an habitue of the tuner scene we tend to lose sight of what a "light mod" FD is.
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there is a context part to this too. at some point i had a modded T2, and an FD. in a straight line the T2 was faster, or it felt faster. the thing about the FD was that it was smoother, and quieter, and it was just nicer.

fast forward, i've been around, and its really easy to make the FD drive like a truck, and be loud, and all the gauges make one a paranoiac*, and it just sucks the fun out of it. an addendum is that a stock FD isn't actually that fast, so you can drive it hard without the felony speeding ticket**


*do we care if the coolant temp goes from 195 to 205 going up a hill? since its under 230f, i think we don't. part B, is that i've built actual race cars for other people and learned the hard way that they do not check gauges. so a properly built car shouldn't rely on the drive to look at gauges, because they do not.

**this varies regionally, in northern california we drive so slow its maddening (you know its bad when you are on foot, and the car is holding you back), and speeding is almost viewed as being a worse crime than murder. i realize that in some other states, the cop might pull you over because you're not racing a fast enough car. season to taste.
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Originally Posted by j9fd3s
there is a context part to this too. at some point i had a modded T2, and an FD. in a straight line the T2 was faster, or it felt faster. the thing about the FD was that it was smoother, and quieter, and it was just nicer.

fast forward, i've been around, and its really easy to make the FD drive like a truck, and be loud, and all the gauges make one a paranoiac*, and it just sucks the fun out of it. an addendum is that a stock FD isn't actually that fast, so you can drive it hard without the felony speeding ticket**


*do we care if the coolant temp goes from 195 to 205 going up a hill? since its under 230f, i think we don't. part B, is that i've built actual race cars for other people and learned the hard way that they do not check gauges. so a properly built car shouldn't rely on the drive to look at gauges, because they do not.

**this varies regionally, in northern california we drive so slow its maddening (you know its bad when you are on foot, and the car is holding you back), and speeding is almost viewed as being a worse crime than murder. i realize that in some other states, the cop might pull you over because you're not racing a fast enough car. season to taste.
I completely agree for the gauges. Personally i have had dash loggers and it always felt like the better option especially if there are buzzers and warning lights. Instead of going along seeing each one separately while you're racing you can hear it and let off the gas. This worked very well for me. As for the loggers high cost there are cheaper alternatives. I had the pcs d200 which is a great unit but kinda forces you to eliminate the instrument cluster due to its size. The defi zd that im currently running is a very compact unit and it has pretty much all the features of the high end ones
I have made a steering column pod so its right if your face and wherever the issue is it flashes right in front of me so i cant miss it with a very quick glance
I was never a fan of the whole chain of gauges and im also not a fan of removing the instrument cluster . To me the zd is the absolute best for this purpose without breaking the bank
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I get by just fine with a water temp gauge and a boost gauge for the majority of driving.

"Oh look, water temp is creeping up... Damn traffic"

*switches engine fans on*

"Good, temps are back down. I can turn the fans off now"

Fast acting IAT, all the horrible rubber pipe couplers in the engine bay are silicone. New radiator. Cold air intake using stock airbox. Intercooler has its own duct.

Good street brake pads & rotors. Coilovers, big tires, exhaust, etc.

Its a fun car to drive. Its not finicky. Its loud-ish but its smooth and comfortable. And very reliable. You just need to pay very special attention to the engine temps with these cars and realize that high temps are its natural enemy. Stopping somewhere after a long drive, I always open the hood to stop the poor thing from baking itself to an early grave. Always watch the water temps and oil temps. Its not a paranoia. Its housekeeping.
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It's the track that got me.

I've had pretty much the perfect aggressive street set up, (streetport, 99 twins, open exhaust with PFS catback, big IC and cold air intake, PFC at 15 psi) that ran for years flawlessly and even took me to the track and back pulling a trailerette, and was great fun on the street.

I killed it when I removed the AC a few years back, added a Greddy Ti catback, put in racing seats, and super stiff springs. Now I've run out of IAT tolerance so have gone single turbo. We'll see how that goes. I've said before I'd like the car a lot more if I put AC and some more of my interior back in ( currently headliner less after sunroof delete). Maybe I'll put a quieter catback on too. I paid for JRZs to make the 800 lb. springs bearable, and they aren't going anywhere.
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As this thread continues, I am more and more impressed by how many of us that have owned these cars for the longest or just for a lo-o-o-ng time, seem to share the same sense of things. You try things. You push, because the car seems to get better the more you push. And then as with most things, we push too far and the paradigm somewhat falls apart. And at that point there's really no going back for any number of reasons. I sold mine when I got there and bought a Porsche turbo. But I had to have an FD and bought a stock R1 a year later. While I have modded this one, everything was done to avoid getting to that moment again where the car was no longer "nice" or civilized enough to enjoy all the time.

There are known catch-phrases that indicate we have gone too far and they are said every year by somebody. "It always smells like gas". "Its really stiff and there are noises". "I keep blowing" -- choose one -- clutches, differentials, axels, seals... There are a bunch more I've heard, but I can't remember them right now, but you get it. Usually, those saying it, don't say they no longer enjoy the car anywhere near as much. They don't say they went too far, but they know they did.

In most ways, all this really came with the single turbo craze and sudden emergence of aftermarket ecu's, especially the PFC, which made going single turbo cheaper and easier to set up. Originally, there were only a few cars with single turbos and then it took off with the whole film cult thing and cheaper, better, single turbo setups and more and more people who claimed they could tune them. All of a suddem everybody had to have one. The single turbo cars tended to also have stiffer springs and sway bars and then there are the farther out bushings and braces and whatever. Guys would bring their cars to a tuner shops and ask for the whole make over all at once and that would take the car from being really nice and special to a full out race car by any sane standards. Once you blow off enough kids in their Civics and Mustang Cobras and Camaros and whatever the car isn't the same great daily driver that's huge fun on backroads or smacking along the freeways.

This is about "De-Mods" and its really a thread that's timely. It reflects the experience of the forum and you also see it in so many of the current build threads. They're not all about 1000 whp motors and trick this or that parts made of unobtainium. Many are about getting a car back to stock or to 300 hp and reasonable suspension upgrades with a lot of solid reliabilty mods. (20 years ago guys on the big list jumped on me for saying I thought water injection was the solution to detonating. Everyone said it was a bandaid for not having the right intercooler setup. If I had a turbo, I would have auxiliary injection and a tube water-to-air intercooler and no standard intercooler, but a bigger radiator.)

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I'm still one of those old dudes that don't need no stinkin water injection
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It was really hot here the other day, so I rolled up the windows and turned my AC on full blast. I works very well. Cooled me off nicely. You should be able to do that in any car that isn't a dedicated track car.
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It was really hot here the other day, so I rolled up the windows and turned my AC on full blast. I works very well. Cooled me off nicely. You should be able to do that in any car that isn't a dedicated track car.
you get one hot week in all of summer and it occurs in sept usually in SLO.

That area is the best place to not have A/C or heat. its always good weather there (I went to cal poly, SLO).
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Originally Posted by lOOkatme
you get one hot week in all of summer and it occurs in sept usually in SLO.

That area is the best place to not have A/C or heat. its always good weather there (I went to cal poly, SLO).

Sounds like Adam should drop that 30 pound anchor

I'm considering pulling the AC out of one of my cars. Then the PS and maybe even the radio. I should really stop enabling this cars anorexia before it ends up becoming a naked stripper behind bars getting flogged on VIRs back straight

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Fritz's naked cars have a specially fitted seat belt for his "lap dance"
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Fritz's naked cars have a specially fitted seat belt for his "lap dance"
Yes they do and lords know I love some lap dancing
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single turbo over twin turbo's just because of the simplicity of the system.

less is more.

Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.” - Leonardo da Vinci
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Originally Posted by lOOkatme
single turbo over twin turbo's just because of the simplicity of the system.

less is more.

Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.” - Leonardo da Vinci
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single turbo over twin turbo's just because of the simplicity of the system.

less is more.

Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.” - Leonardo da Vinci
I completely agree but get ready to spend 10k plus for a decent setup that may or may not have exhaust leaks and other headaches.

Or get some 99s and go simplified with baily type solenoids if you aren't ready to go all in on a single turbo setup. 1/2 *** single turbo setups are full of constant headaches including blown engines.
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that may or may not have exhaust leaks and other headaches.

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Every single setup ever. I hate V-bands.
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Every single setup ever. I hate V-bands.
Ha! I thought I was the only that hated them.... Actually that and my vented wastegate is what I attribute my droning to.
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Originally Posted by Fritz Flynn
I completely agree but get ready to spend 10k plus for a decent setup that may or may not have exhaust leaks and other headaches.

Or get some 99s and go simplified with baily type solenoids if you aren't ready to go all in on a single turbo setup. 1/2 *** single turbo setups are full of constant headaches including blown engines.


I am already single turbo, have been since 2012, no exhaust leakes yet...knock on wood. I also upgraded basically everything. the car gets good mileage as well.

I am going to an IWG EFR turbo next with the cast manifold from turblown.


My old set up when I first purchased the car was horrid. it was a non-seq stock twins with the rear turbo not working and the primary turbo ended up spewing oil into the intake. The car also would want to run hot, single oil cooler system, etc.

Took all that out, went single, upgraded everything and have had much better results and reliability out of the car. no overheating, super low IAT, super fun, very linear power, going to EFR to get more low end power/torque. looking forward to the upgrade. I am not pushing the boost or power too bad on my set up, but at high altitude you need to push the turbo to make any power. I am probably 300-450WHP depending on boost level and altitude. I mostly run 14PSI regardless of altitude which is like running 11-12PSI sea level.

I will say that I HATE leaking gaskets/oil pans/clutch line, etc. common on either set up.

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Its funny this thread exists as its the mentality behind how I build my FD. I wanted to make a "stock" FD as good as it could possibly be without compromising the balance and feel of the car.

I have done the following:
-99 twins with y-pipe
-Azeknights turbo control solenoids
-PFC tuned by Wilmer
-FFE secondary rail setup with ID1300 injectors wally fuel pump
-PFS downpipe, Resonated mid, PFS catback-heat wrapped from the DP to just past the rear diff
-Poly diff bushings with a 2-n-1 rear brace thing
-all new pillow *****
-4.44 gears
-ACT PP + stock clutch disc
-Ohlins coil overs
-Auto-exe intake
-Greddy SMIC with Pettit duct
-Fluidyne Radiator
-Mazdaspeed rep hood
-better brakes
-SBG HID's
-99/JDM tails(USDM are ugly)

Bunch of other little things, ditched the ugly *** stock steering wheel for a Nardi Personal with red stitching and center stripe(GT3 inspired), mazdaspeed shift **** and hand brake lever.

It makes 350rwhp and with the 4.44 gears is so responsive its nearly NA linear in power with good tuning with the solenoids its so smooth, the only thing you notice between the turbos is the exhaust note changing.

Still retains all emissions and passes strict DE emissions with a highflow cat from Bonez.

Nothing but the secondary throttle was deleted from the car, retains everything else for better or worse that it came with. It can sit in traffic on a 90* day with the a/c on and thanks to the MS hood water temps are parked at 185* now. Stock hood is just not doable with an all stock like setup imo.

I drove the car from DE to Bowling Green KY to NCM and ran an all day HPDE with it on a 100+ degree day. Then full day auto-x with two drivers the following day, just as hot, pavement temps were around 160*, car hot started just fine and we beat the **** out of it, set the FTD on brand new Conti DW's, would have cleaned house on stickier tires. Then drove it home and got 25-28mpg the whole way, around 1700 mile round trip.

My FD has shattered a lot of BS about these cars among my friends, so much so a friend of mine now has a BB 94 PEP with ~60k on it

Anyway, seems like a lot of people build these cars and forget how good they actually are if you just improve on what Mazda gave you i think its a far better end result than trying to reinvent the car into somethings its not.

YMMV

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Originally Posted by Jason94R2
Its funny this thread exists as its the mentality behind how I build my FD. I wanted to make a "stock" FD as good as it could possibly be without compromising the balance and feel of the car.

I have done the following:
-99 twins with y-pipe
-Azeknights turbo control solenoids
-PFC tuned by Wilmer
-FFE secondary rail setup with ID1300 injectors wally fuel pump
-PFS downpipe, Resonated mid, PFS catback-heat wrapped from the DP to just past the rear diff
-Poly diff bushings with a 2-n-1 rear brace thing
-all new pillow *****
-4.44 gears
-ACT PP + stock clutch disc
-Ohlins coil overs
-Auto-exe intake
-Greddy SMIC with Pettit duct
-Fluidyne Radiator
-Mazdaspeed rep hood
-better brakes
-SBG HID's
-99/JDM tails(USDM are ugly)

Bunch of other little things, ditched the ugly *** stock steering wheel for a Nardi Personal with red stitching and center stripe(GT3 inspired), mazdaspeed shift **** and hand brake lever.

It makes 350rwhp and with the 4.44 gears is so responsive its nearly NA linear in power with good tuning with the solenoids its so smooth, the only thing you notice between the turbos is the exhaust note changing.

Still retains all emissions and passes strict DE emissions with a highflow cat from Bonez.

Nothing but the secondary throttle was deleted from the car, retains everything else for better or worse that it came with. It can sit in traffic on a 90* day with the a/c on and thanks to the MS hood water temps are parked at 185* now. Stock hood is just not doable with an all stock like setup imo.

I drove the car from DE to Bowling Green KY to NCM and ran an all day HPDE with it on a 100+ degree day. Then full day auto-x with two drivers the following day, just as hot, pavement temps were around 160*, car hot started just fine and we beat the **** out of it, set the FTD on brand new Conti DW's, would have cleaned house on stickier tires. Then drove it home and got 25-28mpg the whole way, around 1700 mile round trip.

My FD has shattered a lot of BS about these cars among my friends, so much so a friend of mine now has a BB 94 PEP with ~60k on it

Anyway, seems like a lot of people build these cars and forget how good they actually are if you just improve on what Mazda gave you i think its a far better end result than trying to reinvent the car into somethings its not.

YMMV

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