Cooling Tip
03-10-04, 08:29 PM
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Cooling Tip
This is a cooling tip I was told and researched and seemed very plausible.
That a radiator painted black will cool 15% to 20% better than an unpolished aluminum/copper radiator.
That a radiator painted black will cool 15% to 20% better than an unpolished aluminum/copper radiator.
03-10-04, 08:50 PM
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i have "heard" this but i have never seen proof. on the surface it would seem like the paint would insulate the radiator causing less heat transfer. but like i said i have never seen proof.
03-10-04, 08:55 PM
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Well I did my own test and I got temps down 10 degrees without anything else done. I mean I know thats not the claimed 15 to 20% but its still alot know what I mean?
03-10-04, 09:24 PM
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Strange as it sounds, I believe you are correct, and I think that flat black is better than gloss. while I was growing up, my dad had an airplane, air cooled 6 cyl engine. I'm not sure where he found the tip, I think some guy named ricardo who wrote a book about internal combustion engines. Anyway, he repainted the cylinder cooling fins flat black and the cylinder head temps dropped 15- 20 degrees f
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03-11-04, 09:33 AM
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Originally posted by Fatman0203
Does anyone else have any results on this?
My dad who has many classic cars has MANY copper radiators all blacked out.
Does anyone else have any results on this?
My dad who has many classic cars has MANY copper radiators all blacked out.
Copper transfers heat better than Aluminum, always will.
I think the black paint may contribute a little, but find it difficult to believe claims of 15 to 20% temperature drop.
A word of caution here - there is special spray paint for radiators (regular spray paint is too thick and will flake off over time) and it is available here:
http://www.eastwood.com/itemdy00.asp...40+Z&Dep_Key1=
Stay cool.
03-11-04, 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by RonKMiller
Mine is copper single row and black, and I run cool ALL the time - even here in Tucson with summer temps averaging a high of 100F for months at a time.
Copper transfers heat better than Aluminum, always will.
I think the black paint may contribute a little, but find it difficult to believe claims of 15 to 20% temperature drop.
A word of caution here - there is special spray paint for radiators (regular spray paint is too thick and will flake off over time) and it is available here:
http://www.eastwood.com/itemdy00.asp...40+Z&Dep_Key1=
Stay cool.
Mine is copper single row and black, and I run cool ALL the time - even here in Tucson with summer temps averaging a high of 100F for months at a time.
Copper transfers heat better than Aluminum, always will.
I think the black paint may contribute a little, but find it difficult to believe claims of 15 to 20% temperature drop.
A word of caution here - there is special spray paint for radiators (regular spray paint is too thick and will flake off over time) and it is available here:
http://www.eastwood.com/itemdy00.asp...40+Z&Dep_Key1=
Stay cool.
03-11-04, 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by Fatman0203
This is true I forgot to mention that. There is a special spray, yet I beleive the less gloss the better. This isnt the only one.
This is true I forgot to mention that. There is a special spray, yet I beleive the less gloss the better. This isnt the only one.
03-11-04, 09:57 AM
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As RonKMiller said, generally speaking,...the copper radiators will run cooler (give the same size).
Copper Radiator
Pro - better cooling (assuming size is equal)
Con - heavier than aluminum (assuming size is equal)
Con - Corrosion (unless the interior is coated). Ever see the copper piping in your house after a few years? I would say that the higher end radiators are coated, whereas some of the cheap copper ones are not.
Aluminum Radiator
Pro - lighter than copper (assuming size is equal)
Con - Copper cools better (assuming size is equal)
Con - aluminum radiators need to be BIGGER to compensate for Copper's better cooling abilities.
Ever since the rise of aluminum radiators in the marketplace,...the Copper manufacturing industry has been pushing to have OEMs use copper again. (Look up the term "CuproBraze").
Here...read this.
http://www.eng-tips.com/gviewthread..../108/qid/61247
Griffin Radiator FAQ
http://griffinrad.com/faq.php
Copper Radiator
Pro - better cooling (assuming size is equal)
Con - heavier than aluminum (assuming size is equal)
Con - Corrosion (unless the interior is coated). Ever see the copper piping in your house after a few years? I would say that the higher end radiators are coated, whereas some of the cheap copper ones are not.
Aluminum Radiator
Pro - lighter than copper (assuming size is equal)
Con - Copper cools better (assuming size is equal)
Con - aluminum radiators need to be BIGGER to compensate for Copper's better cooling abilities.
Ever since the rise of aluminum radiators in the marketplace,...the Copper manufacturing industry has been pushing to have OEMs use copper again. (Look up the term "CuproBraze").
Here...read this.
http://www.eng-tips.com/gviewthread..../108/qid/61247
Griffin Radiator FAQ
http://griffinrad.com/faq.php
03-11-04, 10:01 AM
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Well Ive known that copper cools better, but has anyone else tried the black radiator thing?? Just wondering? Im going to ask my friend to try it out on his WRX since he sees the track alot.
03-11-04, 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by obviousboy
im building up my car now...my radiator should be here within a week and im gonna try this....this should be neat.
the radiator will be stock
im building up my car now...my radiator should be here within a week and im gonna try this....this should be neat.
the radiator will be stock
03-11-04, 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by Nameless
Hmm how about ICs?
Hmm how about ICs?
03-11-04, 02:16 PM
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Same deal for IC's - it's just an air-air radiator. If it works on the water rad, it'll work on the IC.
The key is to have the increase radiation efficiency from the flat black color be greater than the insulation qualities of the paint. I would think a flat black anodize would be great.
The key is to have the increase radiation efficiency from the flat black color be greater than the insulation qualities of the paint. I would think a flat black anodize would be great.
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Does anyone have a technical explination for this. I just dont see how it would cool and better have coat of black on it. What if it was a coat a red or blue how would that change it. i know that black attracts light better then lighter colors but i dont see why it would disapate heat any better.
03-11-04, 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by c00lduke
Does anyone have a technical explination for this. I just dont see how it would cool and better have coat of black on it. What if it was a coat a red or blue how would that change it. i know that black attracts light better then lighter colors but i dont see why it would disapate heat any better.
Does anyone have a technical explination for this. I just dont see how it would cool and better have coat of black on it. What if it was a coat a red or blue how would that change it. i know that black attracts light better then lighter colors but i dont see why it would disapate heat any better.
03-11-04, 03:27 PM
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i'll ask my father tonight; he is a mechanical engineering. Black conducts better than other other colors. this makes sense i just can't remember the explanation right off top. something to do with radiative/conductive heat.
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