current market usdm FD pricing VS jdm imports
01-11-17, 08:55 PM
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Check this deal out: https://www.tradecarview.com/used_ca...rx-7/19379642/
Again I checked Canada and there is nothing worth buying. So apparently they are all just roaming the streets and are not for sale.
Again I checked Canada and there is nothing worth buying. So apparently they are all just roaming the streets and are not for sale.
01-11-17, 09:28 PM
#52
No, the RHD market won't have an impact on good, clean FDs. Be they LHD or RHD. I think that those will hold their value because true enthusiasts know what a well built & maintained FD is worth.
Prices have gone up quite a bit in recent years but they are no where near as crazy as in the US. I can still find a RHD FD in good shape for $10k CAD if I am patient and haggle a bit (my area of Canada has lower prices than Ontario or the West). California seems to have insane prices.
Almost all the RHD cars brought in to Canada are run down cars bought by kids who then run them down even further. Stance is the cool thing here and I see a lot of RHD cars scraping and tearing up their under bodies. I recently passed on buying an R33 GTR because the owner stanced it. Scraped under body, torn & rolled fenders, poorly maintained.
Prices have gone up quite a bit in recent years but they are no where near as crazy as in the US. I can still find a RHD FD in good shape for $10k CAD if I am patient and haggle a bit (my area of Canada has lower prices than Ontario or the West). California seems to have insane prices.
Almost all the RHD cars brought in to Canada are run down cars bought by kids who then run them down even further. Stance is the cool thing here and I see a lot of RHD cars scraping and tearing up their under bodies. I recently passed on buying an R33 GTR because the owner stanced it. Scraped under body, torn & rolled fenders, poorly maintained.
01-11-17, 09:43 PM
#53
Check this deal out: https://www.tradecarview.com/used_ca...rx-7/19379642/
Again I checked Canada and there is nothing worth buying. So apparently they are all just roaming the streets and are not for sale.
Again I checked Canada and there is nothing worth buying. So apparently they are all just roaming the streets and are not for sale.
1992 Mazda RX-7 | autos et camions | St-Georges-de-Beauce | Kijiji
1993 Mazda RX-7 jdm cuir/carbone/fibre prix pour vente en bas | autos et camions | Laval/Rive Nord | Kijiji
1998Mazda RX7 FD3S - SOLD | used cars & trucks | Abbotsford | Kijiji
1992 Mazda RX-7 RHD Coupe (2 door) | used cars & trucks | City of Toronto | Kijiji
1993 Mazda RX-7 FD Touring Coupe ROLLER | used cars & trucks | Oshawa / Durham Region | Kijiji
1992 Mazda RX-7 Hatchback | used cars & trucks | Calgary | Kijiji
Original 1996 right hand drive Rx7 FD3S | used cars & trucks | Oakville / Halton Region | Kijiji
1993 RHD Mazda RX-7 | used cars & trucks | Calgary | Kijiji
Mazda RX7 | used cars & trucks | Victoria | Kijiji
1996 Mazda RX-7 twin turbo Coupe (2 door) | used cars & trucks | Edmonton | Kijiji
I would not touch any of them.
01-11-17, 09:51 PM
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No, the RHD market won't have an impact on good, clean FDs. Be they LHD or RHD. I think that those will hold their value because true enthusiasts know what a well built & maintained FD is worth.
Prices have gone up quite a bit in recent years but they are no where near as crazy as in the US. I can still find a RHD FD in good shape for $10k CAD if I am patient and haggle a bit (my area of Canada has lower prices than Ontario or the West). California seems to have insane prices.
Almost all the RHD cars brought in to Canada are run down cars bought by kids who then run them down even further. Stance is the cool thing here and I see a lot of RHD cars scraping and tearing up their under bodies. I recently passed on buying an R33 GTR because the owner stanced it. Scraped under body, torn & rolled fenders, poorly maintained.
Prices have gone up quite a bit in recent years but they are no where near as crazy as in the US. I can still find a RHD FD in good shape for $10k CAD if I am patient and haggle a bit (my area of Canada has lower prices than Ontario or the West). California seems to have insane prices.
Almost all the RHD cars brought in to Canada are run down cars bought by kids who then run them down even further. Stance is the cool thing here and I see a lot of RHD cars scraping and tearing up their under bodies. I recently passed on buying an R33 GTR because the owner stanced it. Scraped under body, torn & rolled fenders, poorly maintained.
01-11-17, 10:18 PM
#55
will they have to go through the safety mods and what not to get it california legal like the skylines? if so that will forsure take a big chunk out of reality. I might not be 100% but to get it california legal you need to pay upwards of 10k extra besides the car it self to get it anywhere street legal to register and drive on the California roads . it if was simply paying for a car and all that ,I'd be driving a R32 right now
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01-12-17, 12:22 AM
#57
1998 Abbotsford
That 98 in Abbotsford sold last night. Surprisingly high enquiry and a near bidding war in the driveway. Buyers were very keen to get hold of it. Keen to get going on a winter build perhaps?
Certainly as demonstrated by H-M above the number of listed cars has dried up considerably. Is it winter, or what is going on?
No doubt some people are holding onto their cards waiting to see how the 25 year thing plays out.
Certainly as demonstrated by H-M above the number of listed cars has dried up considerably. Is it winter, or what is going on?
No doubt some people are holding onto their cards waiting to see how the 25 year thing plays out.
Last edited by Redbul; 01-12-17 at 12:27 AM.
01-12-17, 12:55 AM
#58
Im a big fan of authentic Japanese sports cars in general and all of them are RHD. My FD is a '92 JDM.
Im almost 40 and have the highest insurance discount rate possible in my province. I pay around $1000 CAD a year. I have no problem driving on one side or the other, I was comfortable driving a RHD in a day.
My first RHD was a 1989 R32 GTST Type M Skyline. It was basically stock but it was quite fun to drive (first turbo car). Sold that for my FD 8 years ago and still love it! I don't think i'll ever sell it. I even declined the option to trade it for my brothers low mile RHD 93 Supra (it still had the factory plastic on the door!)
My next purchase is going to be an R34 Skyline GTR then a '94+ JDM WRX STi or an Evo. I just need to win the lottery.
Canada had no affordable turbo cars less than 20k until the RHD's showed up. Most of the
LHD FD's here on the west coast of Canada are hit or miss. Really nice (17k-50k lol) or not really running and rusty (8-16k).
To the OP. The RHD's didn't do much to effect the price of the LHD's in Canada.
Im almost 40 and have the highest insurance discount rate possible in my province. I pay around $1000 CAD a year. I have no problem driving on one side or the other, I was comfortable driving a RHD in a day.
My first RHD was a 1989 R32 GTST Type M Skyline. It was basically stock but it was quite fun to drive (first turbo car). Sold that for my FD 8 years ago and still love it! I don't think i'll ever sell it. I even declined the option to trade it for my brothers low mile RHD 93 Supra (it still had the factory plastic on the door!)
My next purchase is going to be an R34 Skyline GTR then a '94+ JDM WRX STi or an Evo. I just need to win the lottery.
Canada had no affordable turbo cars less than 20k until the RHD's showed up. Most of the
LHD FD's here on the west coast of Canada are hit or miss. Really nice (17k-50k lol) or not really running and rusty (8-16k).
To the OP. The RHD's didn't do much to effect the price of the LHD's in Canada.
01-12-17, 08:17 AM
#61
Our market doesn't seem to be as strong as yours. Makes me want to buy here, ship them to BC, and sell there.
I noticed that JDM cars in general have dried up. Two years ago there were probably 2-3x as many FDs for sale as there are now. Same with Skylines and Supras. I think two things are happening:
#1 - People are holding on to them and hoping to sell for a big profit in 3-5 years.
#2 - People ruin or blow up their cars. Then list them for a huge a mount because they see others asking a lot for good, clean, running models. No one bites, the owner gets frustrated, and the car rots in their garage.
01-12-17, 08:27 AM
#62
Saw this pop up a couple of minutes ago. At $3800, you could make a descent profit by parting out the car.
1992 mazda rx7 fd perfect for LS swap | other | Calgary | Kijiji
1992 mazda rx7 fd perfect for LS swap | other | Calgary | Kijiji
01-12-17, 01:49 PM
#63
Here's a scenario where I could see cheap JDM cars hurting the value of current US/LHD cars: A bunch of cheap RHD cars come to the US for cheap and are bought by kids who treat them like crap similar to what's been described in Canada. Stance them, crappy body kits, loud, annoying, and always blowing up....and that changes the overall image of the FD in the US. Even with the F&F influence on the car, they're still rare to see in the states and that helps make them desirable. What about if there are 4x as many FDs running around and the majority you see are crap? Then the image of the FD as a whole is of kids with junk cars. The way that hurts owners of nice ones is that middle-aged persons who would typically pay more for a prime example no longer wish to be on the platform and be associated with the kids driving the JDM crap. Then that lowers prices of LHD FDs because it removes the prime buyer of the market.
It's a stretch...but about the only way I could see values being hurt. My personal hope is that there aren't enough crap-cans brought in and driven to hurt overall image of the car, but there are lots of nice JDM motors, trans, and suspension pieces to help keep ours running.
One additional point to note...no more LHD interior parts will be available as a part of this, so those part prices will continue to rise.
It's a stretch...but about the only way I could see values being hurt. My personal hope is that there aren't enough crap-cans brought in and driven to hurt overall image of the car, but there are lots of nice JDM motors, trans, and suspension pieces to help keep ours running.
One additional point to note...no more LHD interior parts will be available as a part of this, so those part prices will continue to rise.
01-12-17, 02:14 PM
#64
For the record:
I don't expect a flood of FD's coming. If it was 2001-2004 (during the FnF hype) I could see it... But it's 2017 and the kids that truly wanted these cars have grown up and acknowlege (at least I hope) that a RHD car in the states is just pretty dumb. Especially when it is a middle age man driving around looking 'mad tyte'.
Yes some young folks will ship some over but like I said I don't expect a 'flood'.
I don't expect a flood of FD's coming. If it was 2001-2004 (during the FnF hype) I could see it... But it's 2017 and the kids that truly wanted these cars have grown up and acknowlege (at least I hope) that a RHD car in the states is just pretty dumb. Especially when it is a middle age man driving around looking 'mad tyte'.
Yes some young folks will ship some over but like I said I don't expect a 'flood'.
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01-12-17, 02:15 PM
#65
RHD Stimulate Demand
A thought is that the FD's relative obscurity holds back demand. Until the RHD started rolling in, I had not seen an FD in Vancouver since I saw one and only in 1994 cruising down Granville. It was so different, yet familiar, my first thought was "batmobile" (as the Kiwis call it even now.)
So it may be hard to spark the imagination if there is no image to start with.
Obviously F&F changed that and of course the video games.
I am surprised how joyous the high school kids are when I roll by and pop up the lights. Lots of thumbs up. Where is that recognition coming from?
We are about 60:40 RHD:LHD in our Westcoast chat. Deep respect and longing for LHD among that group no doubt.
So it may be hard to spark the imagination if there is no image to start with.
Obviously F&F changed that and of course the video games.
I am surprised how joyous the high school kids are when I roll by and pop up the lights. Lots of thumbs up. Where is that recognition coming from?
We are about 60:40 RHD:LHD in our Westcoast chat. Deep respect and longing for LHD among that group no doubt.
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01-12-17, 02:29 PM
#66
Bathurst Japan Auction Results
Here are some recent auction results. Bathhurst seem to demand higher prices than Spirit R and RZ in some cases.
Examples of Recent Bathurst Auction Prices in Japan
11-3-16 2003 Bathurst White FC 18,000 km Grade 4.5 Y3,350,000 USD28,920
12-21-16 2002 Bathurst White 47,000 km Grade 3.5 Y2,310,000 USD19,940
12-22-16 2002 Bathurst Black FC 123,000 km Grade 3.5 Y1,160,000 USD 10,000
12-22-16 2001 RZ Pearl 38,000 km Grade R Y1,710,000 USD14,700
1-6-17 2002 Bathurst Black FR 103,000 km Grade 3.5 Y1,075,000 USD$10,410
1-6-17 (year?) Bathhurst White FR 41,000 km Grade 4 Y2,315,00 USD 21,720
There seems to be quite a high mileage discount. But wouldn't we consider a 100,000km car relatively new here in N.A.?
Examples of Recent Bathurst Auction Prices in Japan
11-3-16 2003 Bathurst White FC 18,000 km Grade 4.5 Y3,350,000 USD28,920
12-21-16 2002 Bathurst White 47,000 km Grade 3.5 Y2,310,000 USD19,940
12-22-16 2002 Bathurst Black FC 123,000 km Grade 3.5 Y1,160,000 USD 10,000
12-22-16 2001 RZ Pearl 38,000 km Grade R Y1,710,000 USD14,700
1-6-17 2002 Bathurst Black FR 103,000 km Grade 3.5 Y1,075,000 USD$10,410
1-6-17 (year?) Bathhurst White FR 41,000 km Grade 4 Y2,315,00 USD 21,720
There seems to be quite a high mileage discount. But wouldn't we consider a 100,000km car relatively new here in N.A.?
01-14-17, 02:44 AM
#74
Rotary Enthusiast
I'll be watching these prices closely to see what happens as I am going to be one of the people influenced by the prices. I will be in the marker for a Clean FD fairly soon and I'm already in a bit of a bind thinking about it.
I would rather have a clean, low mileage LHD U.S. FD, mainly because I do all the work and maintenance myself and I believe individual parts may be hard to find for RHD or at least take some time to get. Working on a RHD twin turbo car be it an RX7 or Supra just gets a little more difficult when it comes to the turbos because of the steering shaft (Nissans are just the opposite.) Not a huge deal but still an influence.
Another issue is that I autox a bit. I plan on keeping the FD stock for the most part, mainly reliability mods. Call me old but I've built my fair share of dyno queens and highway monsters but Nothing felt quite like a well running sequential FD right around 300-350hp. Very well balanced and all around fun to drive. SCCA unfortunately doesn't allow JDM cars period. Local chapters may not really care too much but you will be put in SM class from the get go. I was hoping to be able to head out and be fairly competitive in ASP or something that would fit a mildly modded FD.
Those problems aside, my main reason for purchase is RX7's have always been my passion and I've been through quite a few of them. I want a very clean car to keep but I don't want to be bent over in the process. Having seen some of these cars listed in the $30K range and some selling in the $20K's, it looks as though I may be able to save $10k by going JDM and getting the same quality. I don't mind paying for the right car, but when the difference could buy me a trip to Japan (which we are already planning a family trip there) I could find a very clean, well maintained car there and import it home for a fraction of the price, it may just sway me. I know I won't be your average buyer for these but buyers like me may effect the market slightly when it comes to the higher quality vehicles.
I would rather have a clean, low mileage LHD U.S. FD, mainly because I do all the work and maintenance myself and I believe individual parts may be hard to find for RHD or at least take some time to get. Working on a RHD twin turbo car be it an RX7 or Supra just gets a little more difficult when it comes to the turbos because of the steering shaft (Nissans are just the opposite.) Not a huge deal but still an influence.
Another issue is that I autox a bit. I plan on keeping the FD stock for the most part, mainly reliability mods. Call me old but I've built my fair share of dyno queens and highway monsters but Nothing felt quite like a well running sequential FD right around 300-350hp. Very well balanced and all around fun to drive. SCCA unfortunately doesn't allow JDM cars period. Local chapters may not really care too much but you will be put in SM class from the get go. I was hoping to be able to head out and be fairly competitive in ASP or something that would fit a mildly modded FD.
Those problems aside, my main reason for purchase is RX7's have always been my passion and I've been through quite a few of them. I want a very clean car to keep but I don't want to be bent over in the process. Having seen some of these cars listed in the $30K range and some selling in the $20K's, it looks as though I may be able to save $10k by going JDM and getting the same quality. I don't mind paying for the right car, but when the difference could buy me a trip to Japan (which we are already planning a family trip there) I could find a very clean, well maintained car there and import it home for a fraction of the price, it may just sway me. I know I won't be your average buyer for these but buyers like me may effect the market slightly when it comes to the higher quality vehicles.
Last edited by boostin13b; 01-14-17 at 04:49 AM.
01-14-17, 05:02 PM
#75
Not running your best bet.
the best bet may be to find an otherwise clean car that is inthe non running class. The discount seems to be in excess of what it would cost to do a Fairly solid rebuild. And you would have the comfort of knowing what you've got once you are done. If not it seems you might be able to easily cover the cost by parting out.