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Old 05-04-12, 12:26 PM   #1
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so brake hard line snapped

Driving home from toronto the brakes started to feel spongy then i parked to get something to eat and when i started driving back i noticed the brakes are completely gone and only stops slightly if you mash it to the floor.

Amd this was in pouring rain with zero visability

I filled the fluid up at a gas station and used a whole bottle. It emptied it before i made it home and made no difference at all.

Took it to a shop today and told me the line is toast and needs replacing.
They qouted me at 1500 plus tax to replace all the lines going to the back and fuel lines( since they said they wouldn't touch the lines or else they may break my fuel lines)
they also said i would need to replace the calipers on all sides since they won't touch the bleeder screws without stripping them.

So now i am in a jam. I don't know if this estimate is high or they are taking me to town.

Btw it is a 88 vert and just a random extra tidbit i used 3/4 tank for only going 340 km lol.
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25 year old stuff will break, sounds like yours is starting to.if the price is bugging you, do it yourself. might as well learn to fix things instead of shelling out money. might as well replace it all at once. and yes the bleeders will probably snap off in the calipers. and if you wanted gas mileage you should not have bought a rotary
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That's an absurd estimate, get another.
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Wow... That estimate is completely ridiculous.

Do you work on your own car? If not... Now would be a great time to learn.
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Wow... That estimate is completely ridiculous.

Do you work on your own car? If not... Now would be a great time to learn.
Honestly,if you are just learning about cars,then get someone that can either do it or help you with this.
After all the brakes are a Vital safety system on the car.You screw that up,and it's goodbye to you and anyone/anything in your way.
Post up in the CDN section and see if anyone can do it for you.
I would but I am too far away from the GTA.
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Wow! That's a high estimate! When I was converting from ABS to a non-ABS system I replaced all brake lines except the ones in the rear from the splitter to the calipers. Not that difficult of a job if you are mildly knowledgeable.

Take a look at my thread if you need part numbers or pics of the steps I took. There might be some useful information in there for you.

Writeup: ABS pump removal with pics
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^ +1 (Great write-up by the way.)


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Honestly,if you are just learning about cars,then get someone that can either do it or help you with this.
After all the brakes are a Vital safety system on the car.You screw that up,and it's goodbye to you and anyone/anything in your way.
Post up in the CDN section and see if anyone can do it for you.
I would but I am too far away from the GTA.
Okay... I'm not necessarily saying that this is something that a beginner should do alone. I do agree with No_love_for_pistons that this can be done if you're "mildly knowledgeable". With the right tools and a bit of help, you CAN do it. Plus, you're not going to do something like this and instantly hop onto the freeway to test the brakes. As longs as you're smart about it, you can test them bit by bit in your drive way... And then slowly progress from there.

It all comes down to how willing you are to learn... Otherwise, pay out the ***.
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That's an absurd estimate, get another.
+1500

I hope you laughed in their faces and flipped them off... Because that's the only appropriate response.
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+1500

I hope you laughed in their faces and flipped them off... Because that's the only appropriate response.

They said i should consider if i want to keep the car or just sell it since there is too much work they said.

I went to another shop and they said that rough estimate of 500 ish for labour and parts for 1 line

I'm more worried about replacing the fuel lines. Since some shops don't want to touch the brake lines without fixing the fuel lines
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The quote for 1500 was with all 4 calipers, fuel and brake lines installed?

Post up in the canadian section, and i'm sure someone can point in you in the direction of a good shop in hamilton.
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Yep everything installed. Max i was looking to spend on everything installed was 1000 or less.

Either way i need the rear calipers rebuilt( which i was planning on sending out on the weekend) for 100 bucks a piece which isn't too shabby.

Are my calipers really aluminum?
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I didn't need to touch my rear calipers (I did rebuild the front ones), but I've heard from many people on the forum it's easier to just buy reman rear calipers.

Did I miss something about your fuel lines? I'm not clear on why those need replacing. Easiest way to replace the brake line is to remove the plastic clips that hold your 2 fuel lines and the brake line that runs to the rear of the car. It runs to a splitter under the drivers-side rear (see pics from my thread). From there, two lines run to your calipers...one to each side.

If you can post up some pics of what this damage looks like, we can help you figure out the best way to fix it....and I doubt it will cost you as much as that shop is quoting you!
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Is it just me? none of my friends know much about cars and I just bought tools and start doing it on my own?

cuz I was thinking, all I need to do is just follow the directions CAREFULLY, nothing much can go wrong, right ?

and couple years later I took my own engine out, rebuild it, put it back, smile on my face.

it might be a good time to learn now?

I dunno how ur hard lines just snap like that, lucky u wasn't going 70mph on highway and someone just tries to cut into ur lane.

I don't know if Mazda still sells the hard lines, I bought all hard lines a year something ago just in case something breaks, its still in my garage, check first
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You can use pre-made generic brake line (flared w/fittings but not bent) and redo the entire system for about $75 and some time.
Assuming you're comfortable with that sort of work and have a few tools (like flare wrenches, which you DEFINITELY need), it's not that hard.

I really don't understand the estimate/attitude from your shop.
Yeah, it's certainly possible that bleeder screws might break but it's by no means an absolute.
I'd have told you about the possibility so the worst case scenario wasn't a shock, but I'd have tried first rather than insisting on new parts from the git-go.

BTW, the rear calipers (and the fronts, for that matter) are dirt simple to rebuild.
Takes longer to get it on the bench than it takes to replace the seal and dust boot.
The rebuild kit is what, $40? and takes about an hour to do both sides.

This is definitely the kind of piddly **** you get familiar with as the owner of an old car.
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Damn, that's nuts. I got a shop in my town thats like that. If they touch it, they want you to do this, this, and this. I go else where. That's just greedy.
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Is it just me? none of my friends know much about cars and I just bought tools and start doing it on my own?

cuz I was thinking, all I need to do is just follow the directions CAREFULLY, nothing much can go wrong, right ?

and couple years later I took my own engine out, rebuild it, put it back, smile on my face.

it might be a good time to learn now?


I dunno how ur hard lines just snap like that, lucky u wasn't going 70mph on highway and someone just tries to cut into ur lane.

I don't know if Mazda still sells the hard lines, I bought all hard lines a year something ago just in case something breaks, its still in my garage, check first
BAM! exactly. teach yourself, that way you can do it yourself/help others. everything you are doing has been done, and you can probably find write ups on here, or just ask for help and someone that has done it will more than likely help you out. along with some of the flamming that comes with noobish questions from someone who doesnt turn their own wrenches. bottom line, dont wanna pay someone to do it? do it yourself.
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they also said i would need to replace the calipers on all sides since they won't touch the bleeder screws without stripping them.
I guess they never heard of a flair nut wrench I never strip any bleeder screws or brake hardlines now. Great investment
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I didn't need to touch my rear calipers (I did rebuild the front ones), but I've heard from many people on the forum it's easier to just buy reman rear calipers.

Did I miss something about your fuel lines? I'm not clear on why those need replacing. Easiest way to replace the brake line is to remove the plastic clips that hold your 2 fuel lines and the brake line that runs to the rear of the car. It runs to a splitter under the drivers-side rear (see pics from my thread). From there, two lines run to your calipers...one to each side.

If you can post up some pics of what this damage looks like, we can help you figure out the best way to fix it....and I doubt it will cost you as much as that shop is quoting you!
Apparently my fuel lines are getting bad and they won't risk breaking them while doing my brakes.

I'll post pictures tomorrow i am at work right now and it will be dark when i get back.

sucks that the old girl will be sitting again
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I think the estimate is right on. Easily 2-3 days of dorking around depending on what you would want to "save" and what you would want to get new. From their point of view not getting new is a liability. Ive done fuel and break lines on a few 2nd gens and on many other makes. Its a lot of effin work with all the rusted up parts that are NEVER going to come off without breaking into pieces.

$1500 is the price that will keep them going when fuel and break fluid are dripping down their arm pit with rust constantly falling in their eyes, breaking bolts ect ect.

For those of you who think its out of line, how much would you do it for and guarantee everything is in working order like any reputable shop would?

To the original poster, you get what you pay for, sometimes you can save a ton if you do it yourself but if your getting an estimate, that is a sign this is not somewhere you should start a new hobby unless you have someone that knows what they are doing help you out.

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For those of you who think its out of line, how much would you do it for and guarantee everything is in working order like any reputable shop would?
I take pride in my work... Just as a reputable shop would. I've spent MANY hours wrenching for free, and I'm not bothered by that one bit. I have a completely different mentality than a shop, though. As long as the customer paid for the tools, parts, etc... I'd do it for pretty cheap. I can definitely guarantee that everything would be in working order, and would gladly offer a warranty. That's because I do care to get another RX-7 back on the road. And for that reason I'd be a customer service success, yet a horrible business man for myself. I'd make almost no money. (Ask Karack how it is... Does quality work, works for little pay, no time, and gets bitched at.)


PnoyRx7, I hope a knowledgeable local enthusiast helps you with this. I hope that you understand that it can be done without spending so much.
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