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Old 04-04-02, 05:48 AM
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I use a microtech on my front running Improved Production circuit car here in OZ with excellent success and no problems with the microtech or engine failures!

I am not going to bag other systems but I have seen Anthony's systems and tuning capabilities constantly (at all circuits throughout Australia) but do not see many (if any) haltech or yourself (the hitman) at circuits with any success!

I see your name associated with many road cars and I think for you to slag an Australian product that holds many records throughout Australia and the world, to me it appears as a desperate business ploy.

All ECU’s are cost related and the Microtech provides a great package for what I and many other racers demand.
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Anthony,
Well said, and I think Rice has shown what level of maturity and professionality he really is at, so much so that I dont think we need to say more.
Rice you should spend more time doing work than writing offensive immature crap on these forums, the more you write the worse you look dude.
One thing Ive noticed after being in the industry for 8 years is .. THE PEOPLE WHO NEVER ACHIEVE ANYTHING WORTHWILE SPEND ALL THEIR TIME TRYING TO DRAG OTHER PEOPLE DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL.
Sorry but it never happens, your always going to be down there 'till you become more open minded and above all professional.
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Originally posted by Anthony Rodrigues
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No I am not the same person that posts as rxeng, MVA or Marcos Augusta is the same person that is being used as a Haltec promo vehicle. Due to inconsistency problems with the cars performance we changed the ECU and wiring harnesses only to find other ignition problems independant of the ECU. Unfortunately the vehicle has since been stolen and is currently being replaced by an ex-pro stock truck that will be first fitted with a 20B and then with a 4 rotor engine that is currently being developed here in AUS. Many or most of Australia's leading rotary workshops use and promote Microtech(myself included), and yes it is being used with great success in all forms of motorsport where rotors are being used. Ivan Mikac is argueably the fastest outright circuit car (sports sedan) in the country, and it uses a Microtech, Rowan Ambrose set many club car track records last year and so he also uses a Microtech. I can also continue into rally, speedway and off-road racing.
It is not that it is any better than other units, it is just that it is definitely affordable and capable at any level of Motorsport. I would be surprised if any one can really argue the results, regardless of theoretical backgrounds. The only reason I put my two bobs worth is because I travel in the US often and it really is embarassing to see technical forums graffitied by little squirrels jerking off and slagging every other Australian evenif their intent is good.
Regards Anthony Rodrigues.-Maztech of Melb.
Mikac is one of the slower top level sports sedans in Australia , you dumb ***! He finished 3rd outright and the people who beat him ALL had REAL ECUs in their cars !

Our intent is to give people real knowledge on what is good and what is poor, Microtech is poor, sorry o great one Anthony !

Your are a *#@!^ joke if you think that they can compete in ANY level at the top, not one is run in V8 supercars....why is that Anthony? Why are they not run ? Well I have told you why already. In their current form they are not able to cut it with the other ECUs we have in this country.

Microtech has done nothing outside of drag racing in this country and if Americans are wise they will not adopt this inferior piece of *&@!, even if you do go around preaching about it.

Who gives a *$#@ who you are ! I do not, many people on here do not ! We and others are interested in WHAT works, what is the best spec and what will be good value for money, NOT WHAT IS THE CHEAPEST and MOST PROMOTED.

My mission is to inform people of what things are available to the performance enthusiast, so they do not have to take for gosple what is to told to them by someone who big notes themselves and name drops i.e. AS YOU NEED TO ! Let the people decide on technical merit what is good and what is not, you cannot argue this point.

I am embarassed that someone with your reputation is on here making appologies on behalf of me because I am stating non commercial facts, not for my own profit, or to promote my self ! Just look at the facts and base your opinions on these. As Hitman so well put, alot of you come from a mechanic background and through no fault of your own are limited to the limitations of the systems you promote through your businesses.

Look to the professionals if you cannot grasp the concepts of what I and the Hitman are talking about, before you go making appoligies on behalf of others Anthony.

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Originally posted by 1000HP20B
Anthony,
Well said, and I think Rice has shown what level of maturity and professionality he really is at, so much so that I dont think we need to say more.
Rice you should spend more time doing work than writing offensive immature crap on these forums, the more you write the worse you look dude.
One thing Ive noticed after being in the industry for 8 years is .. THE PEOPLE WHO NEVER ACHIEVE ANYTHING WORTHWILE SPEND ALL THEIR TIME TRYING TO DRAG OTHER PEOPLE DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL.
Sorry but it never happens, your always going to be down there 'till you become more open minded and above all professional.
Unlike you, people on here have a brain, and they can see what units stack up in performance against others.....You, Anthony, his mate John at rx engineering Dominic from microtech even can all come on here and say what ever they want, but untill the day microtech have specs that can even match the other good ecu's Australia export then you are going to be seen as people who are just trying to promote inferior product based on your reputation !

I am more proffessional than any of you in that I am independant, I am not aligned with an Inferior product
Unlike you people trying to establish a bullshit ECU in a country that on its own should be smart enough to never even consider it !
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hmmm, i think we need a decent ecu manafactured in the US

pardon me, i was just thinking out loud.

Carry on!
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Originally posted by twister
I use a microtech on my front running Improved Production circuit car here in OZ with excellent success and no problems with the microtech or engine failures!

I am not going to bag other systems but I have seen Anthony's systems and tuning capabilities constantly (at all circuits throughout Australia) but do not see many (if any) haltech or yourself (the hitman) at circuits with any success!

I see your name associated with many road cars and I think for you to slag an Australian product that holds many records throughout Australia and the world, to me it appears as a desperate business ploy.

All ECU’s are cost related and the Microtech provides a great package for what I and many other racers demand.
This is where you are wrong, it is not a business ploy on my part !

It is on Anthony's and the other as they openly state to distributing for Microtech !

I just look at facts, many people on the net look at FACTS, some are influenced by a big name promoting a certain product. I am simply stating facts to people based on Mechanical Engineering experience and 10 years of research and practical experience.

Not based on quick times or name droping on cars that did not even run a time implied with the ECU mentioned ! this is unethical and plain lies on some peoples part, this is not my style.
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Originally posted by RICE RACING


I am embarassed that someone with your reputation is on here making appologies on behalf of me because I am stating non commercial facts, not for my own profit, or to promote my self !
Did i not read a few posts back that you would sell a Autronic to somebody for $2000au, that sounds to me like trying to make a profit.
Why dont we all just give up and get over it, we are all never going to agree on it, there is always going to be someone who will disagree with what somebody says,
i dont agree with Rice but im over it, if he wants to keep on going on like that that is his choice and nothing we can do about it.
Ill continue to use and promote the Microtech range of computers which i have had nothing but great results with and great service from microtech them selves, if you have a problem with the computer send it back and 2 days later you have the computer back with the problem solved, thats service.
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BTW

the LTX12 microtech is the only ecu in the country that offers leading/trailing split on a 20b and sequential injection, you might not want it rice but other people do!
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Originally posted by 1000HP20B
Anthony,
Well said, and I think Rice has shown what level of maturity and professionality he really is at, so much so that I dont think we need to say more.
Rice you should spend more time doing work than writing offensive immature crap on these forums, the more you write the worse you look dude.
One thing Ive noticed after being in the industry for 8 years is .. THE PEOPLE WHO NEVER ACHIEVE ANYTHING WORTHWILE SPEND ALL THEIR TIME TRYING TO DRAG OTHER PEOPLE DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL.
Sorry but it never happens, your always going to be down there 'till you become more open minded and above all professional.
Oh no, It is offensive and not mature to give people the FACTS about ECUs abailable to them?

Does being open minded mean to you that I should agree with you and Anthony that Microtech are good? I do not think so mate !

Maybe we should ALL just accept what "the" self minded experts tell us, even though the real proffessionals do not even consider using the products you promote to be good...get real !

YOU be open minded, ask yourself why do I use a system that is inconsistent, why do I use a system that is technically poor campared to good ECUs ?

The reason you use them is because you are comfortable with what you know, and you are not willing to STEP UP to a different level, a level of tunning that is proven to yield more performance through precise control.

I do admire some of you guys, becasue you know your limitations, and you do not try to use different more complex systems, but for you others that find the need to denegrate me and others who have the ability to use and set up these systems, this is the unltimate in unproffessional behaviour on your part.

Becasue if you look at the facts, Microtech is a compromise system that can never be as good as the other on offer, so why do you insist on pushing them?

Sure they are cheap, but this should not be the reason to buy one?
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Originally posted by 10sec rx7
BTW

the LTX12 microtech is the only ecu in the country that offers leading/trailing split on a 20b and sequential injection, you might not want it rice but other people do!
I suppose they do, everyone has an opinion.
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Originally posted by The_HITman
As much as Rice goes a little over the top sometimes, he is completely right. I tune at least 2 or 3 Microtech systems a week including the LT laptop programmable (just a bigger hadset) versions, and I consider them one of the bottom of the heap, down there with EMS, Wolf, and Link. If you are serious about running your engine properly, spend the money and buy a high end system. The ECU is the beating heart of your powertrain, and cheaping out on the one thing that controls how your motor will run, especially after spending so much on it, is just ludicrous. I myself have a 3-rotor RX7 and I wouldn't put an MTX-12 (LT included) on my car if they were giving them out for free.

Nothing makes me laugh more than the comment I hear so often here in Aus. "Microtechs are the best for rotaries, mate". It has to be the biggest crock of **** next to the one about putting V8 vege-juice in your tank makes your car sound like a V8. :-) Rice hit the nail on the head..... MECHANICS sell Microtechs because any idiot can make the car run. Mechanics are not engine TUNERS. Most of them have no idea on fuelling and ignition requirements of an engine, so to them the cheapest thing that gets the car out of the workshop is the best option. They don't care that the customer will complain that it is too inconsistent to make their engine idle properly with large injectors, or they don't care that the ignition timing scatters like cockroaches under a spotlight. They don't have a clue how to configure the ignition setup of an ECU for different vehicles, and most don't have a clue if their 386SX laptop is running DOS or Windows. Instead they like the little handset that lets them feel like they are in control. For them, if the car runs then the job is done.

It is good to see people bringing up the scoreboard to show how good an ECU is. It only goes to show the monkey-see monkey-do attitude of drag racers, and how out of their depth they are when it comes to engine management and its application. To repeat on what has already been covered.... only drag racers use them, no-one else does.

To summarise.... if you want your engine to run properly and to last, pay the extra and get a good ECU. At least it will then have the scope to expand with you as your vehicle progresses, and wont need to be replaced when you DO find the limitations of cheaper systems like the Microwrecks.
AMERICA TAKE NOTE !

DO NOT LISTEN to the likes of Microtech rep Anthony or his fan club.

You want split timming for your 20B? wait for the new Haltech.
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Originally posted by AJC13B
is it just me, or is it funny that 'Anthony' and 'rxeng' both have 3 posts each and both write in caps? I think they are the same person, but anyway...

'Anthony'....Marcos Augusta? Is that the same guy as Marcos Acosta with the 20B powered MX3? Is it the same car that has run 7.64 @ 176mph? Is it the same car that is featured on haltechs website and alot of promotional material as running an Haltech fuel/ignition E6A and an ignition only IG5?

http://www.haltech.com.au/Who_s_Hot_...os_acosta.html

Alter egos own j00!
Wow, I didnt know that marcus was using the haltech. I also didnt know that he switched from Dominican to Puerto Rican
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Wow, I didnt know that marcus was using the haltech. I also didnt know that he switched from Dominican to Puerto Rican
greg, i think marcos had the haltech in the car before the microtech went in. his 7 sec runs were done on the haltech. i dont think the car did anything too impressive after the microtech was put into it, then again it was stolen, so we can't know what it could have done.

i cant believe haltech put up the 'old' pics of the MX-3rotor! , thats when the car would smack the wall on every other run. was the blue car even the same car? that black car went through hell and back. i always thought they built a better chassis and swapped drivetrains from the black car.
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Originally posted by 10sec rx7
BTW

the LTX12 microtech is the only ecu in the country that offers leading/trailing split on a 20b and sequential injection, you might not want it rice but other people do!
Is this actually true?

I have been researching (for my project - I want the split for emissions) and it looks like the MoTec 800 offers six independent ignition outputs. I haven't found out yet if these are truly independent and capable of the timing split. Anyone know?

Although it looks like you could run the split with a Haltech E6K with an IG5, I would prefer to have one unit doing the work. When is the new Haltech due out?

The Autronic SM2 can only do four direct fire coils, so it can't handle the split.

Any other ECUs (besides the Microtech)?
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Electromotive TEC-III has been bragging it can do it.&nbsp You'll need to bolt on their ingition trigger system to make it run correctly though...



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Originally posted by RETed
Electromotive TEC-III has been bragging it can do it.&nbsp You'll need to bolt on their ingition trigger system to make it run correctly though...



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Thanks.

Anyone have any opinions/experience on the TEC-III?

I've requested literature.
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Opinions are like arseholes and everyone including RICE has one. While I joined this forum as a point of interest and a common interest place, I also do not have the need to prove myself or my ability to a nobody such as you. Respect is something that you earn from results, I happen to know that 1000hp20b is personally responsible for the fastest rotary in this country, Rx Engineering is a successful Rotary workshop and find it ironic that the only place I have heard of you is on this forum. I can only hope that the rest of the world recognizes your grandstanding. I think it was only 10 years ago that D#*kheads like you were telling me that I was stupid for racing a Turbo Rotary let alone percerviering with EFI(of any type).
I wonder where you will be in 10 years, still trying to prove yourself? Pull your head in Amateur! Nobody wants to hear from you.
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Originally posted by Anthony Rodrigues
Opinions are like arseholes and everyone including RICE has one. While I joined this forum as a point of interest and a common interest place, I also do not have the need to prove myself or my ability to a nobody such as you. Respect is something that you earn from results, I happen to know that 1000hp20b is personally responsible for the fastest rotary in this country, Rx Engineering is a successful Rotary workshop and find it ironic that the only place I have heard of you is on this forum. I can only hope that the rest of the world recognizes your grandstanding. I think it was only 10 years ago that D#*kheads like you were telling me that I was stupid for racing a Turbo Rotary let alone percerviering with EFI(of any type).
I wonder where you will be in 10 years, still trying to prove yourself? Pull your head in Amateur! Nobody wants to hear from you.
Your true colours are showing now Anthony ! You are an arrogant f*$#k !
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Anthony - I know the difference a tuner can make on a car. GRUMPE told me the difference on his RX2 was amazing after you tuned it last year at the Calder Nationals. Was that really the same engine as from your RX7?

But alas, the RX2 only ran 10.0 that meet. The car got a Motec and ran 9.6 next meet. Interesting huh?

Originally posted by twister
I use a microtech on my front running Improved Production circuit car here in OZ with excellent success and no problems with the microtech or engine failures!

I am not going to bag other systems but I have seen Anthony's systems and tuning capabilities constantly (at all circuits throughout Australia) but do not see many (if any) haltech or yourself (the hitman) at circuits with any success!

I see your name associated with many road cars and I think for you to slag an Australian product that holds many records throughout Australia and the world, to me it appears as a desperate business ploy.

All ECU’s are cost related and the Microtech provides a great package for what I and many other racers demand.
Name a world record that a Microtech holds?

HITman has tuned just about every ECU available in Australia and has tuned them on every variant of engine available; from 3 cylinder turbo charades to V12 Jags.

When it comes down to it, an ECU will NOT make the bulk of power on any given engine. It will, however, determine the operation of the engine and how smoothly it can deliver the HP, the fuel consumption etc etc etc.

In drag racing, where Microtech have their grass roots in Australia, all you need is idle and WOT. Every ECU can do this. Its what happens between idle and WOT that is the difference between a cheap ECU and a top of the range.

There is only so much you can do with a handset and a dozen or so load points. Put a Haltech/Motec/Autronic on your car Twister and see the difference.

speed - haltech are notorious for not updating their website. It still has the Braman Honda as the worlds fastest!
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Thank you Rice, achieve some results and one day you to can be promted from ******** to Arrogant f$@k.
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Sorry world, would love to stay and slag, but I must get to work, I have some!
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Originally posted by Anthony Rodrigues
Thank you Rice, achieve some results and one day you to can be promted from ******** to Arrogant f$@k.
If I wanted to be like you then I would post up false and misleading information, Not my style.


Again, see the fact do not get upset becasue lots of people have far more ability than you for seeing benefits and features of other systems then you will earn respect.

Relying on your own arrogance and putting people like me down just reinforces to others that you think you are better than everyone who has not beaten your time.

Grow up, and you will earn respect.

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AJC13B,
I agree with you whole heartedly, primarily it is the tuner that will most of the time prevail, if I choose to use Microtech that is my choice. Not once have I slagged any other unit and have no intention of doing so. I am also employed by people to tune and develop cars with other ECU's and as I have said before, each one has their own merit. You should take the time to look at the new laptop MT series, I believe the improvements have taken it to the next level, where that is relative to the other units is not for me to say. See it and judge for yourself, I would be interested to know your opinion.
regards- The Arrogant One.(Sorry, couldn't help myself)
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Rice,
You have no credibility at all, people reading this forum have contacted me saying that you are only making yourself look worse. Give it up mate, you cant bag someone who has been at the forefront of rotary drag racing in Australia for the past 8 years and be serious.
Just want to add that I am a Haltech dealer (go check on their site) and supply and fit all types of ECU's. Yes there are ECU's that are better than the Microtech in certain respects, but the Microtech has its advantages aswell, and this thread was about ECU's on 20Bs, in that application, I think they are very well suited and proven.
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One day I hope to achieve the results that some of you guys have, I hope I do not loose my Impartiality when it comes to giving people advise on technical matters as I have for the past few years.

Then I guess I will not be called a ******** by arrogant F*&^K's



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