12A Transmission cleanup and switch questions
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12A Transmission cleanup and switch questions
So, here we have the transmission that came from ole Rusty. I had drained it and added new fluid when I got it running two years ago now (wow! time flies!), and then as you can see, it leaked everywhere. I need to clean it up, replace the front and rear seals while I have it out, and maybe the bearings too. Should I replace the bearings or just the seals? Not sure and didn't find anything specific when I searched the forum. Any help is greatly appreciated!
As you can see in the picture below, the wires that go to the backup light switch have come off. Any idea how to tell which wire goes to which post at this point? Does it matter?
As you can see in the picture below, the wires that go to the backup light switch have come off. Any idea how to tell which wire goes to which post at this point? Does it matter?
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Looks like an SA 'box. The front cover bearing is no longer available, tho maybe the gasket for it is?
I think most everything else still is. Rear for sure. You might want to replace the shifter rubber covers too.There are three of them.
Some bits:
-speedo connection oil seal: 9958-60-8166
In fact, Mazda made a "shift kit" for the SA that was a set of nylon bits and pieces that go in where the shifter sits:
-"bush set": 0305-99-178
Might be a smart bit of service. Was not a very expensive kit.
Would start with Mazdatrix for prices and availability (be warned they have a funky way of re-ordering the above part numbers…!)
Stu Aull
80GS
Alaska
I think most everything else still is. Rear for sure. You might want to replace the shifter rubber covers too.There are three of them.
Some bits:
-speedo connection oil seal: 9958-60-8166
In fact, Mazda made a "shift kit" for the SA that was a set of nylon bits and pieces that go in where the shifter sits:
-"bush set": 0305-99-178
Might be a smart bit of service. Was not a very expensive kit.
Would start with Mazdatrix for prices and availability (be warned they have a funky way of re-ordering the above part numbers…!)
Stu Aull
80GS
Alaska
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Assuming this box has a few miles under its gear train. As long as you have it all torn down, it's normally cheap insurance to replace the bearings, seals and any worn syncros / shift forks, especially if its got a lot of miles on it. The input shaft bearing tends to take a beating and I'd at least replace that. This is where a good manual comes in handy and there is a one just for SA transmissions. Complete disassembly requires some pullers and special tools and its important to get all the shims and spacers installed correctly. It won't be cheap or exactly easy.
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Looks like an SA 'box. The front cover bearing is no longer available, tho maybe the gasket for it is?
I think most everything else still is. Rear for sure. You might want to replace the shifter rubber covers too.There are three of them.
Some bits:
-speedo connection oil seal: 9958-60-8166
In fact, Mazda made a "shift kit" for the SA that was a set of nylon bits and pieces that go in where the shifter sits:
-"bush set": 0305-99-178
Might be a smart bit of service. Was not a very expensive kit.
Would start with Mazdatrix for prices and availability (be warned they have a funky way of re-ordering the above part numbers…!)
Stu Aull
80GS
Alaska
I think most everything else still is. Rear for sure. You might want to replace the shifter rubber covers too.There are three of them.
Some bits:
-speedo connection oil seal: 9958-60-8166
In fact, Mazda made a "shift kit" for the SA that was a set of nylon bits and pieces that go in where the shifter sits:
-"bush set": 0305-99-178
Might be a smart bit of service. Was not a very expensive kit.
Would start with Mazdatrix for prices and availability (be warned they have a funky way of re-ordering the above part numbers…!)
Stu Aull
80GS
Alaska
Assuming this box has a few miles under its gear train. As long as you have it all torn down, it's normally cheap insurance to replace the bearings, seals and any worn syncros / shift forks, especially if its got a lot of miles on it. The input shaft bearing tends to take a beating and I'd at least replace that. This is where a good manual comes in handy and there is a one just for SA transmissions. Complete disassembly requires some pullers and special tools and its important to get all the shims and spacers installed correctly. It won't be cheap or exactly easy.
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The special pullers and such come into play when taking everything off the shafts, not necessarily just getting the major sections apart. Auto part stores loan tools normally if needed. Sgt Fox probablly has the tranny manual on his site for download: Foxed.ca - Mazda RX-7 Manuals
You can always just replace what might be obvious and put it back together, just sayin the time to perform "preventitive maintenance" is when its already apart. Might save you from pulling it all back apart 6 months down the road. The odds depend on the condition its in.
Take note of how much debri and contamination is present inside the box, clean things up and check the bearings for smooth spining operation and excessive play between the inner and outer races. Some clearances can only be acurately checked with feeler gages and micrometers. Once apart, you can always take a questionable part or assembly to a local transmission place to get a 1st hand opinion. Chances are though, they will error on the safe side and tell you to replace it.
You can always just replace what might be obvious and put it back together, just sayin the time to perform "preventitive maintenance" is when its already apart. Might save you from pulling it all back apart 6 months down the road. The odds depend on the condition its in.
Take note of how much debri and contamination is present inside the box, clean things up and check the bearings for smooth spining operation and excessive play between the inner and outer races. Some clearances can only be acurately checked with feeler gages and micrometers. Once apart, you can always take a questionable part or assembly to a local transmission place to get a 1st hand opinion. Chances are though, they will error on the safe side and tell you to replace it.
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THIS-
Mazda Built 4 and 5 speed manual transmission parts, and overhaul kits - Drivetrain
-seems like a pretty reasonable priced place to get the internal stuff if you are inclined to get Adventurous…
Stu Aull
80GS
Alaska
Mazda Built 4 and 5 speed manual transmission parts, and overhaul kits - Drivetrain
-seems like a pretty reasonable priced place to get the internal stuff if you are inclined to get Adventurous…
Stu Aull
80GS
Alaska
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The special pullers and such come into play when taking everything off the shafts, not necessarily just getting the major sections apart. Auto part stores loan tools normally if needed. Sgt Fox probablly has the tranny manual on his site for download: Foxed.ca - Mazda RX-7 Manuals
You can always just replace what might be obvious and put it back together, just sayin the time to perform "preventitive maintenance" is when its already apart. Might save you from pulling it all back apart 6 months down the road. The odds depend on the condition its in.
Take note of how much debri and contamination is present inside the box, clean things up and check the bearings for smooth spining operation and excessive play between the inner and outer races. Some clearances can only be acurately checked with feeler gages and micrometers. Once apart, you can always take a questionable part or assembly to a local transmission place to get a 1st hand opinion. Chances are though, they will error on the safe side and tell you to replace it.
You can always just replace what might be obvious and put it back together, just sayin the time to perform "preventitive maintenance" is when its already apart. Might save you from pulling it all back apart 6 months down the road. The odds depend on the condition its in.
Take note of how much debri and contamination is present inside the box, clean things up and check the bearings for smooth spining operation and excessive play between the inner and outer races. Some clearances can only be acurately checked with feeler gages and micrometers. Once apart, you can always take a questionable part or assembly to a local transmission place to get a 1st hand opinion. Chances are though, they will error on the safe side and tell you to replace it.
THIS-
Mazda Built 4 and 5 speed manual transmission parts, and overhaul kits - Drivetrain
-seems like a pretty reasonable priced place to get the internal stuff if you are inclined to get Adventurous…
Stu Aull
80GS
Alaska
Mazda Built 4 and 5 speed manual transmission parts, and overhaul kits - Drivetrain
-seems like a pretty reasonable priced place to get the internal stuff if you are inclined to get Adventurous…
Stu Aull
80GS
Alaska
Thanks Stu and Banzai for your help and guidance!
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Yea, sorry I looked and that particular manual is not on Fox's site. I did compare it to the 79 FSM and the 79 service highlights manual. Either of those will get you through a rebuild. They contain a lot of the same info and even a little more when it comes to getting the box in and out of the vehicle.
The 79/80 transmission manual does have a nice fold out exploded diagram of the whole gear train, listing every key, clip, washer, shim and component. Makes it easy to see the order of assembly on each shaft. It also contains a few more in depth inspection measurements and lists out all the identified special tools. They also made a rear diff specific overhaul manual.
The 79/80 transmission manual does have a nice fold out exploded diagram of the whole gear train, listing every key, clip, washer, shim and component. Makes it easy to see the order of assembly on each shaft. It also contains a few more in depth inspection measurements and lists out all the identified special tools. They also made a rear diff specific overhaul manual.
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